Terri Schiavo Case?

[-Scratch]

What's your opinion on the Terri Shaivo case?

Edit: Spelt Schiavo wrong. =P

[Galactus]

My opinion is that lawfully the decision rests with her closest family member, which is the husband. He has stated that she had previously mentioned to him that she wouldn't want to live in a vegetative state. I suppose the challenge to it is that folks contend that's she's not in such a state. Apparently she is responsive to voices and aware of people around her. Now they're also saying that some super special doctor has declared that if he could spend enough time with her that she could come back to a 'normal' state. Of course, we've only heard about this after her feeding tube was removed. And the tube has been removed before, but people put up fights for it and got it put back. So this isn't really the first time it's happened.

I think that they should let her die. She may not be comatose, but I think that (just opinion) if she knew how she has been 'living' for the past while, she'd want it.

[ehntoo]

Let her die.

[Keela417]

I believe that they should let her die. I know that sounds a little cruel, but it's better than making her sit there like a vegetable. It's past her time to go, and it's useless to fight it. Her parents aren't holding on for her, they're doing it for their own selfish reasons, and that isn't fair to her. :cry:

[denacioust]

I think they should let her die and let the family get on with their lives, its unfair on the husband to have to spend his life caring and worring about his unfunctional wife

[Shadow Crest]

ack, VERY controversial topic.

Unless by some rare chance they can find a way to make her functionable enough to communicate again, they should just let her go to heaven. She has probably been through more pain than anyone in her family has. Also, if she did return to normal, she could go back to her bullemic ways, and that would be terrible.

I will not say any more than this because it is a very touchy topic.

[Sperry]

I'd say don't let her die the way they're doing it. She's suffered, but that's no reason to kill her the most painful way.

[Galactus]

I can agree with that. I was thinking that if they're going to be letting her go they could at least do it in a quicker and painless way. Letting someone starve to death, especially someone who is at most a little bit aware of what's going on, is kind of horrible. At least let her have a lethal injection or something like that so she doesn't have to suffer.

[Sam]

I I was in that position, I'd wanna die.

[Shadow Crest]

UPDATE- I have heard on Yahoo News that Terry Schaivo is 'in her last hours' Her father mentioned that in a news story.

[DarkReality]

Controversial? So far no one her has said that she should stay alive :-D

[Sperry]

I would say let her live rather than starve her. But if she didn't want to live like this, let her die. Just don't be heartless.

[Doug05257]

I'd like to bring a cow over to that hospice where Terri Schiavo is at, and not feed it, just force it to stand there and starve itself to death.

It would be funny (to me at least, in a strange sense) that PETA would stand up for a cow, but not for a person... Damn, I hate PETA...

[Rambo]

I'd like to bring a cow over to that hospice where Terri Schiavo is at, and not feed it, just force it to stand there and starve itself to death.

It would be funny (to me at least, in a strange sense) that PETA would stand up for a cow, but not for a person... Damn, I hate PETA...


Who are you, Eric Cartman?

I know this is a tragic situation and all, but this part kind of humors me. The protesters outside the hospice are yelling obscenities at the groundskeeper for watering the plants! That's just immature and ridiculous.

[DarkReality]

There was an interesting case similar to that:

A short-lived ritual was that tibetian monks would set themselves on fire to protest the chinese occupation of Tibet. This selfless phenomenon didn't bother the world one bit. The occupation of tibet bothers it even less. What did a german citizen do? He set a poodle on fire, and suddenly the entire freaking country was in an outrage due to this "heartless act".

I found it to be hilarious, the way people react to things that are pretty much the same thing, as if a burning human wasn't nearly as bad as a burning animal.

[Doug05257]

Screw you guys, I'm going home!



lol! For watering the plants? haha

They're crazy too.

I found it to be hilarious, the way people react to things that are pretty much the same thing, as if a burning human wasn't nearly as bad as a burning animal.

Exactly my point! lol

[-Scratch]

Screw you guys, I'm going home!



lol! For watering the plants? haha

They're crazy too.

I found it to be hilarious, the way people react to things that are pretty much the same thing, as if a burning human wasn't nearly as bad as a burning animal.

Exactly my point! lol

I'd agree with that except for one thing.

The man sets himself on fire.

The poodle gets set on fire.

See the difference?

[DarkReality]

But the point is that the man set himself on fire because of what is being done to him and his fellow countrymen. And I'd call the oppression of Tibet just a wee bit worse than a burning poodle. You can at least eat the poodle afterwards, but it's hard to eat the himalayas, ain't it :-D

[-Scratch]

Ahh, you always give humor when humor is needed.

I see your point, as well. But I still see mine.

<_<

[mbm_670]

i know that i wouldnt want to live like that....
just shoot me in the head if im like that
i wont feel a thing, and i wont have to live without real food...
steak...
baked potatoes...
chocolate....

[killerstickdog]

The responses to this issue are disturbing.

The society is now so liberal that they will let an innocent woman starve to death and agree with the cause.

My opinion is that lawfully the decision rests with her closest family member, which is the husband.
You mean the one who is living with another woman with whom he has two children? I'm sorry, but the people who have always and will always be there for her, no matter what you do should have control over this. Yes, I mean her parents. They are her closest family member.

Let her die.
I am left speechless with this. A rather classless comment coming from someone who is supposed to be a role model.

Her parents aren't holding on for her, they're doing it for their own selfish reasons, and that isn't fair to her.
You think that these parents are holding on for themselves? How is keeping their daughter alive selfish? Letting her starve to death is selfish.

Also, if she did return to normal, she could go back to her bullemic ways, and that would be terrible.
Am I reading that right? Did you just say that she should not return to normal, because she was and possibly would be bulimic? I don't know what to say to that.



The same group of people that wish to kill Terri Schiavo are the ones who oppose the death penalty and are "pro-choice". How can you justify letting the guilty live, killing an innocent fetus, and starving Terri Schiavo?

It is also said that Terri's husband is the person that should decide for her. That's a good idea, who else in the world is closer to you than your husband, who, for the last 10 years, has been living with another woman with whom he has 2 children?

In February 1990, Terri Schiavo collapsed from an apparent heart attack that resulted in severe brain damage, leaving her in a state of incapacity. For the subsequent fifteen years, Schiavo’s husband and sole legal guardian, Michael Schiavo, has been fighting to obstruct her road to recovery. In 1993, when doctors believed that Terri Schiavo’s condition was improving, Michael Schiavo began to impede her treatment, going as far as inserting a “Do Not Resuscitate” order in her medical files and ordering medical staff to deny her antibiotics for a developing and potentially fatal infection. He admitted in a deposition that he intended for her to die from the infection. Furthermore, he has refused her treatment in appropriate medical facilities. While Terri Schiavo has lain suffering in a hospital bed, Michael Schiavo has carried on with his life, living with a woman with whom he has several children. He refuses to divorce Terri, which would force him to surrender his legal authority over her. Ironically, the money he has used to pay his lawyers, including renowned “right-to-die” advocate George Felos, is from the million-dollar settlement awarded in 1992 to pay for Terri Schiavo’s medical care. In effect, the money earmarked to save her life is the very money being used to kill her.

She might have said that she did not want to be kept artificially. That cannot be proven, nor could it be disproven. However, context must be taken into consideration. You may jokingly say "kill me" if you end up like that on an internet forum. If you did end up like that, you would be unable to express to everyone that that comment was made as a joke, that you did want to live.

No number of "I would want to die if I were her"s can make this right. There is nothing you can say to falsify this fact: Terri Schiavo's death will be murder.

Please note: I may be banned because what I said about a moderator in this post. Whether or not I am banned, I will not be back to find out. Some of the comments moderators on this board have made disgust me. I believe moderators should be role models and leaders, and role models and leaders do not make classless remarks like these moderators do. Though I may disagree with the moderators, this will not stop me from enjoying what attracted me here: skye's great games.

Goodbye everyone.

[DarkReality]

The same group of people that wish to kill Terri Schiavo are the ones who oppose the death penalty and are "pro-choice". How can you justify letting the guilty live, killing an innocent fetus, and starving Terri Schiavo?

Well, killing an innocent fetus falls in the same category as starving Terri Schiavo, so one doesn't need to justify either. Letting the guilty live? Most criminals have a chance at a resocialization. I'm against life sentences, as keeping people alive in prison only to die there one day is... well, not really reaching any goal. They're never resocialized, and if they've done something to deserve a life sentence, then a death penalty can't be too farfetched either.

Human life is not sacred, is how one justifies all that.

Please note: I may be banned because what I said about a moderator in this post. Whether or not I am banned, I will not be back to find out. Some of the comments moderators on this board have made disgust me. I believe moderators should be role models and leaders, and role models and leaders do not make classless remarks like these moderators do. Though I may disagree with the moderators, this will not stop me from enjoying what attracted me here: skye's great games.

So a moderator having an opinion that'S different from yours is considered classless? Not considering human life sacred is classless and not being a role model? Pff, I won't say anything else to that, not in the mood for senseless flaming and random talks of freedom of speech and opinion. Goodbye and good riddance. Your type isn't welcome here.

[Rambo]

Oh my God. Jeb Bush has gone looney.

He tried to send in a force to take her away and feed her. They were intercepted by the local police force, who upheld the court ruling. The story hasn't broke into the mainstream yet. It is only in the Miami Herald, and it requires a membership to view.

Just wanted to give everyone the heads up.

[DarkReality]

That's... hilarious :-D

Absolutely brilliant, the governour intervenes against TWO court rulings, and simply makes himself sole decision-maker. Must run in the family.

[ehntoo]

Let her die.
I am left speechless with this. A rather classless comment coming from someone who is supposed to be a role model.

It's an act of graciousness... She is not responsive. She's a vegetable. She's in a persistant vegitative state, with _NO HOPE OF FULL RECOVERY_.

She will never become more than a body, breathing, lying in a bed. Terry Shiavo is already as good as gone. Her mind, soul, her very being, are already gone. Let her body reside with the rest.

[denacioust]

Allow the woman to die gracefully, and everyone leave the family alone, its unfair to protest about this woman's death, its not up to us whether she lives or not, if that woman lives will any of us ever even meet/talk to her, ever?No, cause we can't, shes nothing more than a vegetable (it sounds terrible, I know, but its true).
If still you want the women to live, put yourself in the position of her, or her husband.
In the case of her husband he has to spend his life tending to her every day worrying about her knowing she'll never ever live through it.
In the case of her if shes even slightly aware of whats going on then she must be bored out of her mind, seriously :D

[Sperry]

So it's graceful to starve someone? Never knew ballerinas had to be anorexic. It's just about as graceful as slowly cutting little bits of her off, except nobody has to do any cleaning afterwords.

[denacioust]

The reason why we're letting her die is because shes in a vegetated state and she can't react to anything so she probably wouldn't notice if she was starved.
And by the way, when did I say to starve her? You're the one suggesting that its graceful to starve her

[Sperry]

Allow the woman to die gracefully,...The way they're letting her die is starving her.

[Rambo]

The society is now so liberal that they will let an innocent woman starve to death and agree with the cause.


It's funny that you mention that. Is this the same "liberal society" that voted for a conservative Christian lunatic. And made him president. Oh, and they made his brother governer of one of the most populated states in the country.


A-Whaaaa....? :shock:

[Vagrant]

For all of the superpowers, the US is probably the most conservative.

[Freddy]

hey cool. shes being held in my county. I just noticed that.

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let'er'dy

[Sparky]

Go to her Hospice holding a sign saying LET HER DIE IN PEACE YOU *******

Edit: forgot holding a sign....

[kopakaextreme]

Gosh, man! They're STARVING HER TO DEATH!!! I mean, how cruel is that? At least do it painlessly. No 'Oh, she's lost her mind, so it doesn't make a difference' type things. She's a PERSON. NOBODY deserves to be treated that way. *walks away, muttering* Jeesh, they don't have to starve her....

[Sperry]

Bush is Arnold's brother? What now? :D

[Ant]

ya know whats ironic about this? she put herself into this position by being bulimic. so its not a "OH MY GOD! SHE HAD A HEART ATTACK AND OTHER TRAGIC EVENTS HAPPENED!". my opinion? let all the veggies die and kill all the paralyzed people. and while you're at it, euthanize all of the non-productive people and severely ill and in pain. end them and strengthen the human gene pool.

[Sperry]

YES! And let's kill those with different pigmentation, sexual tendancies and religious beliefs! All hail persecution! -_- Didn't someone else try that, and, oh, what happened? Oh that's right, he DIED.

That's the stupidest thing anyone could say. How is it your place to decide who deserves to be killed? Just because they are not as physically or mentally capable doesn't mean we should just put them to the chair. She put herself in that position? Do you know her personally, or are you just going by the story provided by the media? Yes, and I'm sure everyone would just love to become bullemic. There's no way she woke up one morning and said "I want to have them starve me!!!". I think its clear no one will ever ask for your opinion in any logical, socially acceptable debate. If you did that, you'd waste a lot of opprotunities for some really great people in the world. Example? Christopher Reeves. You think he asked someone to paralyze him? He was one of the greatest human beings in many people's views, and did many great things for humanity as a whole. Most of the while as "an evil cripple". You think you'll build up the human gene pool that way? I laugh at you. You'd thin out mankind so much there'd be no one left. You can just see the headlines: "Pure race, 8 people left alive! Inbreds for all!"

[Sparky]

Just give her the lethal injection and get it over with.

[Ant]

i was wondering what kind of response i would get from that. baiting people and waiting for a response is amusing.

[Vagrant]

YES! And let's kill those with different pigmentation, sexual tendancies and religious beliefs! All hail persecution! -_- Didn't someone else try that, and, oh, what happened? Oh that's right, he DIED.

That's the stupidest thing anyone could say. How is it your place to decide who deserves to be killed? Just because they are not as physically or mentally capable doesn't mean we should just put them to the chair. She put herself in that position? Do you know her personally, or are you just going by the story provided by the media? Yes, and I'm sure everyone would just love to become bullemic. There's no way she woke up one morning and said "I want to have them starve me!!!". I think its clear no one will ever ask for your opinion in any logical, socially acceptable debate. If you did that, you'd waste a lot of opprotunities for some really great people in the world. Example? Christopher Reeves. You think he asked someone to paralyze him? He was one of the greatest human beings in many people's views, and did many great things for humanity as a whole. Most of the while as "an evil cripple". You think you'll build up the human gene pool that way? I laugh at you. You'd thin out mankind so much there'd be no one left. You can just see the headlines: "Pure race, 8 people left alive! Inbreds for all!"

You seriously missed the sarcasm in his post. He was obviously referring to Hitler.

[kopakaextreme]

*stares at snowmanincave's post* Wow.

[Sperry]

*shrug* So it didn't sound sarcastic to me... :D

[Ant]

its really not sarcastic at all. really.

anywho, she really was bullimic for the 2 years that she was married to that guy that wants to pull the plug/tube/whatever. and i think that she should be allowed to die. would you want to watch a loved one just live on as nothing more than a vegatable? or would you want to live the rest of your life as an inanimate piece of flesh?

[Sperry]

So it was not sarcastic, just not truthful? Ah whatever, someone get me a shot of juice.

[Ant]

wait wait..wasn't vagrant reffering to you, mr snowmanincave?

[Sperry]

Yes, why?

[Kerry]

Heh, i dont even feel like reading 4 pages...

This was a local case before it ever went national :-P. We were talking about this case where i live (on radio, tv, in school) like 2 weeks ago.

Let her die.

[Jshall]

Heh, i dont even feel like reading 4 pages...


ME TOO....

I think this is one of the sickest situations I've every seen in my entire life.

First they take her tube out like they should and she starts to die, then they put it back it. Its playing a sick game of morals.

Is anyone else utterly disguested(sp) by this whole thing?? Everyones forcing thier morals on this Under the mask of Terris rights. All they really want to do is futher thier politcal ideals they care nothing for this girl or her family. Senators are diagnosing her threw videos for Gods sake and deciding her fate. This has been hijacked by the Bush and the Goverment and turned into one of the sickest, most explotive situations in the history of America.

Simply put it her soul and her mind are gone all thats left is a body thats being kept alive by machines.

[noobpwner1]

I'm just tired of hearing about it.

[Kerry]

Frankly, i think we should have a more humaine way to kill people who are brain dead. I know that THEY don't feel the starvation, but the family who is standing there knows they are starving to death.

*shrug* Let her die...

Most dont even realise she has been brain dead over 3 years.. they think it is a recent thing.

[mbm_670]

thats basically what i said. i dont know anybody who would want to live like that. if that happens to me, i dont care how i am killed, just as long as its quick, not drug-out for two weeks. and, i would not, no matter what, want to live like that. not at all, oven for a week. i doubt she wants to live like that either....
am i going off on a tangent again?

[Hex]

After 3 months of no neural response, the brain starts to deteriorate... Now, even if she was to "wake up" she would be the exact same, just she would be able to think a tiny bit, maybe possibly feel pain.

Her life was over 2 and a half years ago, let her die, its day 11, not much longer

[Sperry]

Well it's rather obvious they'll let her starve... Goverment can try and free/kidnap her "for her own protection" but they can't be bothered to get one little thing of cionide... economially ruined idiots.

[Ant]

actually, shes been a veggie for about 15 years now.

[Kerry]

actually, shes been a veggie for about 15 years now.


True answer:

February 1990… Terri suffers cardiac arrest and a severe loss of oxygen to her brain
May 1990… Terri leaves hospital and is brought to a rehabiliation center for aggressive therapy
July 1990… Terri is brought to the home where her husband and parents live; after a few weeks, she is brought back to the rehabilitation center
November 1990… Terri is taken to California for experimental therapies
January 1991… Terri is returned to Florida and placed at a rehabilitation center in Brandon
July 1991… Terri is transfered to a skilled nursing facility where she receives aggressive physical therapy and speech therapy
May 1992… Michael and the Schindlers stop living together
January 1993… Michael recovers $1 million settlement for medical malpractice claim involving Terri's care; jury had ruled in Michael's favor on allegations Terri's doctors failed to diagnose her bulimia, which led to her heart failure; case settled while on appeal
March 1994… Terri is transferred to a Largo nursing home
May 1998… Michael files petition for court to determine whether Terri's feeding tube should be removed; Michael takes position that Terri would choose to remove the tube; Terri's parents take position that Terri would choose not to remove the tube
February 2000… Following trial, Judge Greer rules that clear and convincing evidence shows Terri would choose not to receive life-prolonging medical care under her current circumstances (i.e., that she would choose to have the tube removed) [READ]
March 2000… Judge Greer denies petition for more swallowing tests, finds it uncontested Terri cannot swallow sufficiently to live [READ]
April 2000… Terri is transferred to a Hospice facility
January 2001… Second District Court of Appeal affirms the trial court's decision regarding Terri's wishes [READ]
April 23, 2001… Florida Supreme Court denies review of the Second District's decision [READ]
April 23 or 24, 2001… Trial court orders feeding tube removed
April 24, 2001… Terri's feeding tube is removed for the first time
April 26, 2001… Terri's parents file motion asserting they have new evidence regarding Terri's wishes
April 26, 2001… Trial court denies Terri's parents' motion as untimely
April 26, 2001… Terri's parents file new legal action against Michael Schiavo and request that the removal of Terri's feeding tube be enjoined; the case is randomly assigned to Judge Quesada
April 26, 2001… Judge Quesada grants the temporary injunction, orders Terri's feeding tube restored
July 2001… Second District rules that Judge Greer erred in denying the motion alleging new evidence and, in essence, orders the trial court to consider whether new circumstances make enforcement of the original order inequitable; Second District also reverses the temporary injunction and orders dismissal of much of the new action filed before Judge Quesada [READ]
(uncertain)… Terri's parents detail their reasons why enforcement is inequitable: (1) new witnesses have new information regarding Terri's wishes, and (2) new medical treatment could sufficiently restore Terri's cognitive functioning such that Terri would decide that, under those circumstances, she would continue life-prolonging measures; Terri's parents also move to disqualify Judge Greer
(uncertain)… Trial court denies both motions as insufficient
October 2001… Second District affirms the denial of the motion to disqualify and the motion regarding the new witnesses; the appellate court reverses the order with regard to potential new medical treatments and orders a trial on that question with doctors testifying for both sides and a court-appointed independent doctor [READ]
March 2002… Florida Supreme Court denies review of the Second District's decision [READ]
October 2002… Judge Greer holds a trial on the new medical treatment issue, hearing from doctors for both sides and a court-appointed independent doctor; Terri's parents also assert that Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state
Schindlers file emergency motion for relief from judgment based on a 1991 bone scan report indicating Terri's body had previously been subjected to trauma
November 22, 2002… Following trial, Judge Greer denies Schindlers' motion for relief (new medical evidence motion), rules that no new treatment offers sufficient promise of improving Terri's cognitive functioning and that Terri is, in fact, in a persistent vegetative state [READ]
November 22, 2002… On this same day, Judge Greer denies Schindlers' emergency motion related to the 1991 bone scan [READ]
June 2003… Second District affirms the trial court's decision denying Schindlers' motion for relief from judgment [READ]
August 22, 2003… Florida Supreme Court denies review of the Second District's decision [READ]
August 30, 2003… Terri's parents file federal action challenging Florida's laws on life-prolonging procedures as unconstitutional
September 17, 2003… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' motion to provide additional therapy, finding it an effort to retry the issues that were previously tried [READ]
October 10, 2003… Federal court dismisses Schindlers' case
October 15, 2003… Terri's feeding tube is removed for the second time
October 20, 2003… Florida House passes a bill to permit the Governor to issue a stay in cases like Terri's and restore her feeding tube
October 21, 2003… Federal court rejects injunction request
October 21, 2003… Florida House and Senate pass a bill known informally as "Terri's Law" to permit the Governor to issue a stay in cases like Terri's and restore her feeding tube [READ]; Governor signs the bill into law and immediately orders a stay; Terri is briefly hospitalized while her feeding tube is restored
October 21, 2003… Michael brings suit against the Governor, asking to enjoin the Governor's stay on grounds "Terri's Law" is unconstitutional; Judge Baird rejects Michael's request for an immediate injunction, allowing the tube to be restored, and requests briefs on the constitutional arguments involving the new law
November 7, 2003… Judge Baird rejects Governor's motion to dismiss Michael's suit and have case litigated in Tallahassee
November 20, 2003… Judge Baird rejects Governor's request for the judge to recuse himself
December 1, 2003… Guardian ad litem appointed under "Terri's Law" to advise Governor submits report to Governor [READ]
December 10, 2003… Second District rejects Governor's effort to have Judge Baird disqualified
April 2004… Second District affirms Judge Baird's decision denying Governor's motion to dismiss and have case litigated in Tallahassee [READ]
May 2004… Judge Baird declares "Terri's Law" unconstitutional on numerous grounds [READ]
June 2004… Second District certifies "Terri's Law" case directly to the Florida Supreme Court
July 2004… Schindlers file new motion for relief from judgment based on Pope John Paul II speech
September 2004… Florida Supreme Court affirms Judge Baird's ruling that "Terri's Law" is unconstitutional [READ]
October 2004… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' most recent motion for relief from judgment (motion based on Pope John Paul II speech) [READ]
December 1, 2004… Governor asks U.S. Supreme Court to review Florida Supreme Court's decision declaring "Terri's Law" unconstitutional
December 29, 2004… Second District affirms (without written opinion) Judge Greer's ruling denying Schindlers' most recent motion for relief from judgment
January 6, 2005… Schindlers file new motion for relief from judgment, alleging Terri never had her own attorney, that the trial court impermissibly applied the law retroactively, and that the original trial on Terri's wishes violated separation of powers principles
January 24, 2005… U.S. Supreme Court declines review in "Terri's Law" case

February 11, 2005… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' latest motion for relief from judgment (motion raising various due process challenges) [READ]
February 23, 2005… Florida's Department of Children and Families asks to intervene and for 60-day stay to permit investigation of alleged abuse [READ]
February 23, 2005… Schindlers file motion requesting new tests to determine Terri's status [READ]
February 25, 2005… Judge Greer rules motions appear endless, he will grant no further stays; sets March 18 date for removal of feeding tube [READ]
February 28, 2005… Schindlers file motion requesting that Terri be fed orally [READ]
March 2, 2005… Schindlers file new motion for relief from judgment, arguing factual error in original judgment [READ]
March 8, 2005… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' motion to feed Terri orally [READ]
March 9, 2005… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' motion requesting new tests [READ]
March 9, 2005… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' most recent motion for relief from judgment (motion based on factual error) [READ]
March 10, 2005… Judge Greer denies Department of Children and Families request to intervene and for stay, finds agency is free to investigate [READ]
March 16, 2005… Second District affirms Judge Greer's denial of Schindlers' motion raising various due process challenges, emphasizes law has been followed in this case [READ]
March 18, 2005… Schindlers file new federal action arguing due process violations in original trial; case assigned to Judge Moody [READ]
March 18, 2005… Judge Moody denies new federal claim, citing lack of jurisdiction [READ]
March 18, 2005… Congressional committee issues subpoenas for Michael, Terri, and Terri's caregivers to appear at hearing to be held at the hospice where Terri has stayed [READ]
March 18, 2005… Congressional committee files motion to intervene and modify order requiring the removal of Terri's feeding tube
March 18, 2005… Judge Greer denies congressional committee motion, ruling no grounds exist for intervention
March 18, 2005… Congressional committee requests Florida Supreme Court and Second District stay the feeding tube's removal [READ]
March 18, 2005… Terri's feeding tube removed for the third time
March 18, 2005… Florida Supreme Court denies congressional committee request, citing lack of jurisdiction [READ]
March 18, 2005… Second District denies congressional committee request as without merit
March 21, 2005… Congress enacts Terri's Law II, authorizing Terri's parents to seek federal court review of whether Terri's federal rights have been protected [READ]
March 21, 2005… Schindlers file new action in federal court based on new law, claiming Terri's federal rights have been violated [READ]
March 22, 2005… Judge Whittemore denies Schindlers' request to have Terri's feeding tube reinserted, finding no substantial likelihood the Schindlers will succeed with their claims [READ]
March 23, 2005… In a 2-1 decision, Eleventh Circuit affirms Judge Whittemore's decision not to restore Terri's feeding tube [READ]

[Hijacker27]

Wow... she's braindead and everybody knows it.... I think anybody living in that condition would want to die a quick and painless death.. not starve, or even live off of a feading tube..

[DarkReality]

I'm all for lethal injection, but not starving someone. All living organisms feel starvation, whether they can actively register the pain or not. But if you're going to let her die/kill her and "take" her right to live (which is what I'm for), then at least let her die with some dignity and not some slow process which could take weeks. Haven't they stopped giving her water as well? Doesn't the human body die within a few days of no water? Like... three days? Four?

[Jshall]

But lethal injection is almost like murder in this case. I think the whole idea behind taking out the feeding tube/breathing machines is seeing if people like that can live on thier own.

Which she oviously cant ask for a Snickers so she will die.

On the other hand this is also about mercy letting her die instead of living like she is now and starving her to death isnt the nicest thing either.

Pretty much every end to this is a terrible one its just choosing which one is the less terrible.

[kopakaextreme]

Do YOU want to starve to death? I didn't think so.

Yes, most people wouldn't want to live their life that way.

Too bad that we can't just ask her.

I'm in favour for something that's fast. Why make her suffer any more than she needs to? She's suffered a lot already.

[mattz1010]

What's your opinion on the Terri Shaivo case?

Edit: Spelt Schiavo wrong. =P

If anybody watches TV around here (jks)

My dad was on TV, but his earpiece got cut off so he didnt hear what the reporter had to say :(

(My dad is Philip Hebert)

Descisions like this get made every day.
Why is this one becoming so HUGE?
I say, let her die. I know it sounds cruel, but she stated that she didnt want to live like this, if this can even be CALLED living. I know it sounds cruel, but why keep her alive AGAINST her wishes, AND that she isn't going to recover anyways, why bother? It's not like the resources for hospitals is endless. Her husband has been with her for the longest time, and I'm sure as you all know (unless you're not a teenager yet) that once you turn 13 (or so) you stop telling your parents about things, especially yourself, therefore her husband knows alot more about her than anybody else, because thats the person you tell everything to. HE is allowed to make the descision.

[The Brown Cow]

What I find sick is that the parents are calling it "God's will" that she stay alive.
Being kept alive by machines is hardly natural, and I have difficulty seeing that as what God would want.

[ehntoo]

What I find sick is that the parents are calling it "God's will" that she stay alive.
Being kept alive by machines is hardly natural, and I have difficulty seeing that as what God would want.

Precisely. God's will was for her to die that day, way back in 1990, when she had the stroke that caused all of this.

That's if you believe in a god, of course.

[ABC123]

I'd like to bring a cow over to that hospice where Terri Schiavo is at, and not feed it, just force it to stand there and starve itself to death.

It would be funny (to me at least, in a strange sense) that PETA would stand up for a cow, but not for a person... Damn, I hate PETA...

Here's an idea. We bring you to that hospital, and let you starve. I think that would be pretty funny mainly because that was the stupidest comment anyone has ever added to any conversation ever!

If you want to post stupid comments in serious topics then leave xgen.

Anyways, back on topic.

I don't think they should let her starve to death, but she should get to die. Letting her starve is cruel. If I were in that state I would want to die but die quickly, from a lethal injection or something that would kill me quickly. Like c'mon, put her out of her misery.

[Hex]

There is no misery!!! She can't feel anything, and there is no neural response!!! The doctors could remove her brain, and besides her bleeding to death, nothing would be different!!! (besides her being a few pounds lighter)

They starve her because if the husband wanted to change his decision, like others in the past have, it allows him to, unlike a quick lethal injection.

[ABC123]

Like others have said, she does have some brain activity, very little though. Who knows, maybe she can feel pain. It's not like anyone knows what it's like to be in that state.

[DarkReality]

Considering she has no more brain activity in the region of her brain which is responsible for the motoric nerves, the chances that her sensory nerves "work" is pretty slim, as both are partly controlled in the same region. But it can't be too hard to figure out if that part of the brain works or not, haven't they actually done some scans to see exactly how extremely she's vegetating?

[ehntoo]

She cannot feel pain.

On a vegetable scale from carrot to potato, with carrot being a 1 and potato being a 10, I'd give her a potato.

She's that far gone. She's a shell, a former carrier of being.

[Sperry]

God's will was for her to die that day,...And who may I ask, are you to dictate what any God, regardless of whether there is one or not, wills?

[Spike Spiegal]

She's officially dead may she rest in peace.

[DarkReality]

I've never heard of anyone returning from the dead, so i think she'll rest quite well :-p

[iamnotreallygod]

<cough>lazarus</cough>

[Rambo]

Of course, the stupid people on both sides continue to argue even after her death. Why must this happen? The lady has passed on, why can't they just let it go?

[iamnotreallygod]

Dont look at me, I wasn't actually arguing; my position is about the same as c00lrguy's on this issue.

[Vagrant]

Iamnotreallygod was just pointing out that there is a record of a man in the Bible who came back to life...

But since I don't want to start any more debates about the Bible then there currently are, I'll just shut up.

[DarkReality]

I think we can find a sliiiight difference between lazarus and Terri. And I think we all agree on that tiny difference :D

[JoeyG]

Heh heh heh...