Ipod or Mp3?

[Choft]

Everyone will probably say Ipod but whatever.

[Joest]

Mp3.

[Warrior13]

I-Pod:. More user friendly, Better system, More storage, and overrides the security lock, also has extra features like picture and video storage.

[Mr. Anderson]

MP3. Mine was $50 and works as well/better than any other Ipod

[darkfalcon62]

ipods are mp3 players only that ipods have a different system and are way better

[Area 51]

EyePawd.

[ssgtGrimreaper]

They're the same thing.
There are plenty of better MP3 players than the iPod, and there are plenty worse.

[Mr. Anderson]

He means MP3's in general vs. IPods.

[clan_carrot]

Ipod its much more aficent then mp3 in ipod you can chose your songs

[The Prodigal]

...Are you that ignorant in saying you can't choose a song off your MP3's play list?

No. An MP3 is much more reasonable in price. I don't see the reason of having all those podcasts or fancy menus myself.

[Darcy!]

You know what I REALLY hate? When people call MP3 Players just MP3s. It pisses me off so bad.
Anyway you have to be more specific >_>
Either way iPod by far.

[Alphaniner]

The iPod. It's pretty good, and I got it for my birthday. So, no complaints.

[Joest]

My biggest complaint with the iPod is the click wheel. I mean, come on.

[Mr. Anderson]

Ipod its much more aficent then mp3 in ipod you can chose your songs
Please grow a brain before posting.
It will make everyone's lives much easier.
Hmmm, I see IPod is winning.

[aznixiboy]

How about Zune?

[c00lryguy]

IPods can be hax'd and have Linux on them, I dont have one though. So MP3

[Generic]

I don't get it, an Ipod is a Mp3 player. That is like asking "Ferrari or Car!!!"

But I know what you mean, I am an avid Ipod hater. My Sansa e260 > Any comperable Ipod.

[Zapurdead]

Yeah. Mp3s are probably some better. Ipods are just more expensive due to the hype.

[Warrior13]

IPods can be hax'd and have Linux on them, I dont have one though. So MP3

Yes though they have an extremly tough security encription.


MP3's can be hacked in less than an hour.

[np v2.0]

...

Is the poll asking what you have or which one your think is better? In the space where he should have typed the question, he put a period.

[Warrior13]

The topic has been mainly about which one you think is better.

[ssgtGrimreaper]

Yes though they have an extremly tough security encription.


MP3's can be hacked in less than an hour.iPods have practically no encryption.
You could probably throw Rockbox on an iPod in an hour.
Sure, Apple's file DRM has strong encryption.
But that's not an iPod, is it?

[Choft]

...

Is the poll asking what you have or which one your think is better? In the space where he should have typed the question, he put a period.

Well yeah....doesn't the title pretty much explain it? Everyone else seem to have got the message.

[np v2.0]

Well yeah....doesn't the title pretty much explain it? Everyone else seem to have got the message.Well yeah....no. It says "Ipod or Mp3".

[the big kid]

MP3 Just hate Ipod so much.

I extremely hate the wheel.

[Alice Cooper]

BLASPHEMY!!!!

<_<
>_>

I love my iPod with all my heart. I would sell my soul and be violated by Christopher Walken just to keep my iPod safe.

[Woolfenstien]

You're all stupid.

iPods and MP3s and totally different.

First off, and iPod (dependant on which generation) is a Portable Media Player.

An MP3 (MPEG (Motion Picture Experts Group) Layer 3) is a digital audio encoding and lossy compression format and algorithm, designed to greatly reduce the amount of data required to represent audio, yet still sound like a faithful reproduction of the original uncompressed audio to most listeners.

The correct term is either the manufacturer's model name, or DAP; Digital Audio Player.

[Logic]

You do realize that iPods can play MP3 files right? Just drag them into the player or select to not have them imported to AAC format when updating your library.

@People that hate the click wheel: uhh, what? You prefer mashing buttons to navigate through menus rather than smoothly sliding a finger over it to do anything? If you're talking about the old iPods where the wheel actually needed to be turned I can understand, but those have been deprecated for a couple years now.

However, a portable MP3 DAP (not Zune) is usually a better option because they do not worry about proprietary files (WMA vs AAC), cost less, and offer most of the same features. Why not Zune? http://www.smorgasbord.net/zune-sucks-top-10-reasons

[Mod#4]

I don't think it really matters, but everything related to the ipod is so expensive. Including the ipod itself. Who the hell needs 30 gigs of music and videos anyways? That's why MTV was invented.

[Chimpy]

I like my Zen Micro enough, it is just like an ipod mini, but cheaper. The price is the main reason I got it anyway. It has buttons that you don't actually push down (like the iPod) but not a wheel.

Personally, I don't care how it navigates. That's the last of my worries.

My Zen Micro is 6 GB and is pretty damn quick at actually transferring the music onto it. It has useless features (A microphone? What the hell?), although I do like the ability to

a) record from the radio/listen to radio
b) put music on without having the sofware (I have no idea if ipods have this or not..).

[¿CRAZYØ¿]

I don't think it really matters, but everything related to the ipod is so expensive. Including the ipod itself. Who the hell needs 30 gigs of music and videos anyways? That's why MTV was invented.

Yeah, who needs 30GB?

-looks at 60GB that is currently not updating-

[Woolfenstien]

Eh, suddap.

I NEED one of those 160GB Archos players. They're so freakin' awesome.

[Tanktunker]

I don't think it really matters, but everything related to the ipod is so expensive. Including the ipod itself. Who the hell needs 30 gigs of music and videos anyways? That's why MTV was invented.
You'd say that, but it fills up suprisingly fast.
when you put 3 months of daily show and colbert report, 3 1/2 seasons of family guy, 2 seasons of south pakr and 2 seasons of the office on it, and then some.

[Anonymous]

I prefer the iPod over most mp3 players because of its design, size, quality, reliability, and interface. The only problem I have is with #######s who feel the need to put down all other mp3 players and assert that the iPod is better. Not everbody has that kind of money.


when you put 3 months of daily show and colbert report, 3 1/2 seasons of family guy, 2 seasons of south pakr and 2 seasons of the office on it, and then some.

Same.

I have about 12 gigs of movies and 8 gigs of tv shows.

[ehntoo]

First point. An MP3 is an audio container file format, also known as the Mpeg Layer 3 Audio format. It has nothing, technically, to do, with music of any sort. It is commonly forced into the role of a music container, but the format's got nothing to do with it. An MP3 player, however, as you are all speaking about, plays previously compressed music, typically in MP3 format.

An iPod is a MP3 player.

Yes though they have an extremly tough security encription.


MP3's can be hacked in less than an hour.

MP3s have no security scheme. There's no hacking involved.
PlayFair DRM'd AAC files can be liberated in several seconds using freely available tools.

Oh, and I can put rockbox on an iPod in 5 minutes. Seriously.

You're all stupid.

iPods and MP3s and totally different.

First off, and iPod (dependant on which generation) is a Portable Media Player.

An MP3 (MPEG (Motion Picture Experts Group) Layer 3) is a digital audio encoding and lossy compression format and algorithm, designed to greatly reduce the amount of data required to represent audio, yet still sound like a faithful reproduction of the original uncompressed audio to most listeners.

The correct term is either the manufacturer's model name, or DAP; Digital Audio Player.

Thank you for not being an idiot. It's refreshing in this thread.

You do realize that iPods can play MP3 files right? Just drag them into the player or select to not have them imported to AAC format when updating your library.

@People that hate the click wheel: uhh, what? You prefer mashing buttons to navigate through menus rather than smoothly sliding a finger over it to do anything? If you're talking about the old iPods where the wheel actually needed to be turned I can understand, but those have been deprecated for a couple years now.

However, an portable MP3 DAP (not Zune) is usually a better option because they do not worry about proprietary files (WMA vs AAC), cost less, and offer most of the same features. Why not Zune? http://www.smorgasbord.net/zune-sucks-top-10-reasons

The Clickwheel is clunky for lots of different things. I personally really, really miss the joystick on my iriver H120. That thing was perfect.

Oh, and the Zune is the worst MP3 player. Ever.

As for my choice of iPod versus any other mp3 player? I'm going to buy whatever's cheapest that will run rockbox. That's about it. At the moment, I've got an iPod. No Apple firmware, no iTunes, just the iPod. Before it, I had an iRiver. When my iPod dies, I'll probably pick up a Toshiba Gigabeat.

Rockbox is awesome.

[Chimpy]

I think I might get one of those Zens that can play videos (can't name them off the top of my head) when my zen micro dies, so I can carry TV shows around with me.

[Adam]

iPod forever.

Apple forever.

[DevonTheGreat]

For what I need...you know what? A pocket full of CD's in my leather jacket with a Walkman worked fine for like a year. I got an iPod for my birthday, it's cool but it's not really worth that exorbitant price. I can't compare it to other MP3 players because I really don't know #### about other MP3 players.

I just contributed nothing to this thread <_<

[iceshark90]

alot more people picked mp3 than i thought...

[Mikeh]

iPods:

Pros:

Wide range of accesorys

Cons:

Easily Break
iTunes
Over-priced
Click-wheel
ear-buds
poor sound quality
Turning it on/off
High gloss finger print attracting surface
easily scratched metal

Zen Micro:

Pros:

Scroll-pad
On-The-Go Deletion
On/Off/Hold switch
Ear-Buds
Good Sound Quality
Louder
Removable HDD
Creative Media Source
Voice Recorder
FM Radio
Smooth non fingerprint face plate
White scratch resistant backing
Removable Battery

@ Chimpy:

Zen Vision: M

[zakob]

i picked Ipod because I have used both an Ipod and and quite few mp3 players, and I honestly like the Ipod better. Except the only think I don't like is itunes. It SUCKS. It deletes all my music randomly, and is so hard to use. User friendly my ass.

[Mikeh]

i picked Ipod because I have used both an Ipod and and quite few mp3 players, and I honestly like the Ipod better. Except the only think I don't like is itunes. It SUCKS. It deletes all my music randomly, and is so hard to use. User friendly my ass.

Creative Media Source is the best thing ever... I'll got get my iPod and see if it works with it.

EDIT: I tried on my PSP, it should work with an iPod, as it just takes mp3 file and puts it into drive E: or whatever. And since its not freeware, you'll have to get it yourself ;)

[bullettime bob]

iPod rules! Although it won't let me get a few songs from my playlist onto my iPod, but whatev. It's still pretty great!

[Blaze Zero-Three]

iPod. Just because it works. All the other MP3 players have the same features (video, music, storage), but I'm fine with the iPod.

[Woolfenstien]

iPod. Just because it works. All the other MP3 players have the same features (video, music, storage), but I'm fine with the iPod.iPods don't "just work".

For some bizzare reason, I can't connect an iPod to my PC and use it as an external file system, like I can my Commodore eVic.

Damn I love my Commodore.

[denacioust]

I've got a Tevion 128mb Mp3 player. BEAT THAT!


That's right, you can't. You can't beat the 30 song capacity. The one line screen. The inability to sort by artist or anything for that matter. The SEVEN, yes SEVEN different screen colours. The one broken headphone so you can't hear the lead guitar or drums.

[ssgtGrimreaper]

I've always used iPods, but the older hard drive versions weren't reliable for me.
My nano works well, though.

[MushroomMammoth]

I'd like to notice how iPod's are MP3 players, but whatevah. The main thing about the iPod that I don't like is that everyone has one... But damn, it's so cool and sextastic. Of course, now it refuses to connect with my PC, but I think that's fixable...

[caniverous toilet]

I've got a Tevion 128mb Mp3 player. BEAT THAT!


That's right, you can't. You can't beat the 30 song capacity. The one line screen. The inability to sort by artist or anything for that matter. The SEVEN, yes SEVEN different screen colours. The one broken headphone so you can't hear the lead guitar or drums.

That made me lol.

iPod's are MP3's but are much too overrated, and were oneof the best when they came out

[Mikeh]

Anyone that has a 8GB Nano is a retard.

8GB Nano ~ $250
30GB Video ~ $250

[ssgtGrimreaper]

I wouldn't get a video unless it was ridiculously cheap.
Hard drive iPods die wayyy too fast.

[Blaze Zero-Three]

iPods don't "just work".

For some bizzare reason, I can't connect an iPod to my PC and use it as an external file system, like I can my Commodore eVic.

Damn I love my Commodore.

Apple hates PC's, so they rig the iPods not to cooperate with PC's.

[e p]

20 gb Zen Sleek for $160. Definitely a better deal than an iPod.

[synystergates5]

iPod. They are better and have more storage.

[Scornic]

I don't have either, nor enough music to need either, but I like the idea of movies and music right there, easy to access.

[Mikeh]

iPod. They are better and have more storage.

They're worse and have less storage.

[SalsatheGeek]

I use a Zen 30 GB...

Not as small, but with better color, resolution, and screen, it rocks.

I choose the Mp3.

[e p]

iPod. They are better and have more storage.

What the #### are you saying? Better? How so? You need iTunes to run their songs, their tech support sucks, and they are expensive.

More storage? What the ####ing ####? There are tons of MP3 players with 20-30 gb (or more) of storage, and they are less expensive and perform better than an iPod.

I have 2700 + songs on my Zen Sleek Photo, and plenty of space to spare.

[synystergates5]

They're worse and have less storage.

how so?

[e p]

Can you not read right above you?

[Mikeh]

how so?

Since you are too illiterate to read, I will re-hash:

1. They break far too easily. My friend dropped his once from 3 feet in which the fall was broken by both his hand and the cord, it landed on grass, and one head phone no longer works.

2. iTunes. 'Nuff said.

3. They have no more or no less storage than anyother mp3 player. You do, however get less for more:

Zen Vision: M ~ $7p/GB
iPod Video: ~ $8.3p/GB

4. And there is a lot more, but this should suffice.

[Blaze Zero-Three]

1. They break far too easily. My friend dropped his once from 3 feet in which the fall was broken by both his hand and the cord, it landed on grass, and one head phone no longer works.

2. iTunes. 'Nuff said.

3. They have no more or no less storage than anyother mp3 player. You do, however get less for more:

Zen Vision: M ~ $7p/GB
iPod Video: ~ $8.3p/GB

4. And there is a lot more, but this should suffice.

1. I have dropped my iPod three or four times on a solid floor and it hasn't broke.
2. iTunes is rigged to explode on a PC. Deleting random files, freezing up; it sucks for PC. They work fine on Mac OS X, or at least on my Mac.
3. Does this mean AMD is better than Intel? Does this mean Wal-Mart is better than Neiman Marcus? Does this mean I should stop buying 8x10 paper, and start buying index cards?
4. -Shrugs-

Don't listen to me; I don't even know how much space the Zen Vision has, nor do I have iTunes on my PC. But I have dropped my iPod on hard surfaces, from four to five feet.

[Nikkko]

the Ipod because it have 2 gb!!

[The Prodigal]

So do some MP3 players.

[Blaze Zero-Three]

the Ipod because it have 2 gb!!

My flash drive can eat your little iPod Nano.

[Mikeh]

1. I have dropped my iPod three or four times on a solid floor and it hasn't broke.
2. iTunes is rigged to explode on a PC. Deleting random files, freezing up; it sucks for PC. They work fine on Mac OS X, or at least on my Mac.
3. Does this mean AMD is better than Intel? Does this mean Wal-Mart is better than Neiman Marcus? Does this mean I should stop buying 8x10 paper, and start buying index cards?
4. -Shrugs-


1. I've dropped my zen, it didn't break either.
2. iTunes, when working as intended by Apple, regardless of OS, is the worst piece of software I have ever used in my life. iTunes : Creative MediaSource :: Paint : Photoshop.
3. I'm saying a Zen is more for less.
4. Butt-pudding.

[Blaze Zero-Three]

1. I've dropped my zen, it didn't break either.
2. iTunes, when working as intended by Apple, regardless of OS, is the worst piece of software I have ever used in my life. iTunes : Creative MediaSource :: Paint : Photoshop.
3. I'm saying a Zen is more for less.
4. Butt-pudding.

1. I never said the Zen sucked.
2. Okay, if that's your opinion. But would you like to explain why?
3. Microsoft can charge less, because they take ideas from Apple and make a few changes. No need to pay Product Development. Same goes to Vista.
How long does the Zen's battery last? Just wondering.
4. Pie.

Of course, for those of us that are slaves to those .M4P (It is M4P, right?) files have to use iPods.

[RocketSoldier]

the Ipod because it have 2 gb!!

My iPod has 4 GB.

OH WHAT NOW!

[Mikeh]

1. I never said the Zen sucked.
2. Okay, if that's your opinion. But would you like to explain why?
3. Microsoft can charge less, because they take ideas from Apple and make a few changes. No need to pay Product Development. Same goes to Vista.
How long does the Zen's battery last? Just wondering.
4. Pie.

Of course, for those of us that are slaves to those .M4P (It is M4P, right?) files have to use iPods.

1. I'm just saying that iPods are no better in that department.
2. I'm gonna get back to you on that one**
3. Apple ripped of Zen with the click wheel, or so I've heard.
4. Apple, or cherry?

**Awaiting future edit.

[MushroomMammoth]

But the iPod is sextastic, and your geek-mp3 isn't.

Touché.

[Mikeh]

Actually the iPod looks like a piece of ####.

[MushroomMammoth]

Actually the iPod looks like a piece of ####...
...in the opinion of one person. Not quite so for the majority.

[Mikeh]

I meant, after you use it the thing is covered in oils/fingerprints.

[Freddy]

I'll take the single mp3.

I mean wtf am I going to do with an iPod with no mp3s to put in it. At least with just one mp3 I don't need an iPod to play it. I'll through that sucker on my computer and play it there.

Besides an iPod with no mp3s is pretty much a paper wieght. A two hundred dollar paper weight. I'll take my ninety-nine cent mp3 any day. With any luck it'll be Jukebox Hero by Foreighner.

[MushroomMammoth]

I'll take the single mp3.

I mean wtf am I going to do with an iPod with no mp3s to put in it. At least with just one mp3 I don't need an iPod to play it. I'll through that sucker on my computer and play it there.

Besides an iPod with no mp3s is pretty much a paper wieght. A two hundred dollar paper weight. I'll take my ninety-nine cent mp3 any day. With any luck it'll be Jukebox Hero by Foreighner.
That was sarcasm, riiiiight?

Whoever made this poll made a mistake - it should be 'iPod' and 'other mp3 player'.

[RocketSoldier]

I meant, after you use it the thing is covered in oils/fingerprints.
Not the iPod Nanos.

[Mikeh]

iPod nanos bring on another slew of problems, like getting ripped out of 22GB.

[mattz1010]

I like my Zen Micro enough, it is just like an ipod mini, but cheaper. The price is the main reason I got it anyway. It has buttons that you don't actually push down (like the iPod) but not a wheel.

Personally, I don't care how it navigates. That's the last of my worries.

My Zen Micro is 6 GB and is pretty damn quick at actually transferring the music onto it. It has useless features (A microphone? What the hell?), although I do like the ability to

a) record from the radio/listen to radio
b) put music on without having the sofware (I have no idea if ipods have this or not..).

Ah yes, I had a Zen Micro. That was fun :P

I now have an iPod video. I couldn't give a damn less what I have as long as it can decrypt and play the music files I put on to it. The only time I ever had to get an external converter was for the 72826 demos that were in Flac. and I just moved them to .wav o_o

Most mp3 players won't play all types of files or don't come with a conversion program, I suppose that's why I use iTunes. However, Creative's player does have a converter.

Except that the headphone jack to my Creative Zen Micro kept screwing up after a few months so I stopped getting them. I haven't had any problems with my iPod. And yes, you would not believe how many times I have dropped that ####er.

Of course, for those of us that are slaves to those .M4P (It is M4P, right?) files have to use iPods.

It's .m4a for audio

and .mp4 for the video to be played on iPod

[Mikeh]

I had my micro for a year and a half, and dropped the #### out of it, and never had any slight cosmetic/function problems.

[MushroomMammoth]

Yeah, iPod nanos are ####. The original and the vid are the only ones worth it.

[RocketSoldier]

Yeah, iPod nanos are ####. The original and the vid are the only ones worth it.

My iPod Nano has worked since the day I've gotten it. I've dropped it 3 times on hard wood floor.

[Mikeh]

8GB Nano ~ 249.99
30GB Video ~ 249.99

Good choice. :rolleyes:

[Blaze Zero-Three]

1. I'm just saying that iPods are no better in that department.
2. I'm gonna get back to you on that one**
3. Apple ripped of Zen with the click wheel, or so I've heard.
4. Apple, or cherry?

**Awaiting future edit.

1. Okay.
2. Okay.
3. I don't know anything about the Zen; don't expect anything out of me.
4. Pumpkin.

[st. jub jub]

if i had payed for it id say mp3 but ill say iPod because Ihave one and I like the touch sensitive thing.

[Truestorm]

MP3 all the time cheaper than ipod and more efficent

[.S0L!D.]

I don't have an iPod or an mp3 player. I listen to Pandora Internet Radio.

[Joest]

When I see someone using an iPod I think 'That person is an ignorant sheep that enjoys using inferior technology.'

[qwertyworrior]

i have a nano but i got for my birth day so no complaints there and its pritty good.
and yes the click weal is anoying. but realy ipod=mp3 the only real difrens is one is made by apple and one is not.

[Blaze Zero-Three]

When I see someone using an iPod I think 'That person is an ignorant sheep that enjoys using inferior technology.'

I'd like to see you hack the iPod firmware without a tool.

[Zapurdead]

Hey, I'm saying mp3. IPods are "fit in" with the mainstream flow. They're more popular, so naturally, everybody wants one of those. Some people prefer mp3s, like me.

[Digitbig]

I got an iPod 5G for Xmas and I have no idea how I ever managed to live without it :D.

[Mikeh]

I'd like to see you hack the iPod firmware without a tool.

What does that have to do with anything?

And, most people like iPods solely because they haven't seen whats out there. I used to think iPods were the ####. Now, I know they are ####.

[speedy931]

Well it depends what ipod and what mp3, but in average score ipod is better.

[Blaze Zero-Three]

What does that have to do with anything?

Quote: Inferior technology. Endquote.

What would make other MP3 players so special? Aside from the cheaper price which is bound to rise if they somehow become mainstream, what makes them better?

[Mikeh]

iPods

Pros

Wide range of accessorys

Cons

Easily Break
iTunes
Over-priced
Click-wheel
ear-buds
poor sound quality
Turning it on/off
High gloss finger print attracting surface
easily scratched metal
No charger
Propietary (I think) docking connecter

Zen

Pros

Scroll-pad
On-The-Go Deletion
On/Off/Hold switch
Ear-Buds
Good Sound Quality
Louder
Removable HDD
Creative Media Source
Voice Recorder
FM Radio
Smooth non fingerprint face plate
White scratch resistant backing
Removable Battery
Smaller
Backlit buttons
Colors

Cons

Not popular

[MushroomMammoth]

You're really biased. Con - turning it on/off. Yeah, sure as heck, that is a bad thing. And if you're saying it's uncomfortable - not really. Easily breakable - you put it in a Goddamn case. I can point out and point out, but whatever raational and logic thought I may try to convince you with, you'll still go like a blind sheep to this Zen.

[Mikeh]

You're really biased.

Anyone's opinion on any subject is biased.

Con - turning it on/off. Yeah, sure as heck, that is a bad thing.

Sure, it's minor, but I was simply pointing out every problem I've had with the iPod.

And if you're saying it's uncomfortable - not really.

It's a box.

Easily breakable - you put it in a Goddamn case.

Cases make it bulky and less potable.

I can point out and point out, but whatever raational and logic thought I may try to convince you with, you'll still go like a blind sheep to this Zen.

Try me.

[sirkillyoass]

basically-
do u look the popular kid (ipod) i.e me

or do u want to have the best features for the best price...




SIMPLE

[Joest]

Cool kid? You don't look like the ####ing cool kid with a ####ing MP3 player.

No one gives a #### if you have the iPod. They don't think your cool. I think your an idiot if you think that.

HEY! Look At Me! I Have An iPod! I'm So Cool!

The best player is what matters. There are better players, for much cheaper than the iPod.

[sirkillyoass]

yet ipod is still domination more than 3/4 of the mp3 player market?
coz they are cool


so u can stop with the swear words ty

[Joest]

They're popular because there is a load of accessory's for it, and because they are available everywhere. People don't realize THAT THERE ARE BETTER MP3 PLAYERS.

They aren't cool. You are an ignorant ####### if you think that.

[Geth]

Record players are the best! Nothin like old school vinyl!

[sirkillyoass]

basically-
do u look the popular kid (ipod) i.e me

or do u want to have the best features for the best price...




SIMPLE

like i said, they rnt the best for the price. so read what i put.

and if you think im ignorant for thinkin that ipods r cool, u should go say that to the other 3/4 of mp3 player owners out there.
im sorry wer all ignorant

[denacioust]

Don't argue with your own quote.

Sirkillyoass there ARE better mp3's than iPods. iPods are the most popular. There are cheaper mp3's. iPods are just the most popular. iPods are not the best out there by quite a large margin.


Put it this way. If the iPod's only came out now, with the current number of people owning mp3s still owning them just not owning iPods, would the iPod's become popular? No. Why? Because they're not THAT good.
It's like the ps2. Which was better? Xbox or ps2? Xbox was by a large margin the better console. Better graphics, all the same games as the ps2 except for a few xbox only classics i.e. Halo, Half-life, etc. So how come the ps2 outsold it by so much and was widely regarded as the better console? ecause it got there first. It came out with a DVD player at a time when it was cheaper to buy that than to buy an actual dvd player. And then the Xbox comes out. But why trade up whenever your ps2 is still fully functional?


Also, learn to spell.

[e p]

like i said, they rnt the best for the price. so read what i put.

and if you think im ignorant for thinkin that ipods r cool, u should go say that to the other 3/4 of mp3 player owners out there.
im sorry wer all ignorant

I think I just might then. I've already told half of my friends that their iPods are overrated.

Plus, best features? What features does an iPod have that an MP3 player doesn't have?

According to newegg.com, a 4GB iPod nano is $185. I got a 20gb Zen Sleek Photo for $160. It has 16 more GB, for $20 less.

[sirkillyoass]

can u ppl not read what i say.
understand this: i put that ipods do NOT have the best things for price.

get it?
im putting a two sided argument, im not arguing for or against ipods... simply saying ipods r more popular so ppl buy them even though they dont have the ''best features for the same price''.

people, u goota learn to read.
and ye i cant spel, even though im 16, im havin lesns cz i dno ow 2 spl. sorrreee

[e p]

YOU WERE ####ING ARGUING WITH YOUR OWN QUOTE. It's hard to keep up with that.

[ipwnkthxbai]

For all you kids out there, sorry to disappoint your little debate, but an iPod is just a brand of MP3 Player. Someone already said this, but the iPod is decent, there are definitely other MP3 Players that are worse than it, but it certainly is not the best out there. Definitely not.

[Mikeh]

can u ppl not read what i say.
understand this: i put that ipods do NOT have the best things for price.

get it?
im putting a two sided argument, im not arguing for or against ipods... simply saying ipods r more popular so ppl buy them even though they dont have the ''best features for the same price''.

people, u goota learn to read.
and ye i cant spel, even though im 16, im havin lesns cz i dno ow 2 spl. sorrreee

SirImADumbAss, I will do my best to use one syllable words so you can get it.

iPods are not cool. They are found most, but that does not mean, they are good. They are not good, they are bad. Do you get it? iPods bad. Not iPod is good.

[Shataniska]

omg dood i prefr ipod becuz is cul.

[e p]

For all you kids out there, sorry to disappoint your little debate, but an iPod is just a brand of MP3 Player. Someone already said this, but the iPod is decent, there are definitely other MP3 Players that are worse than it, but it certainly is not the best out there. Definitely not.

You haven't said anything that wasn't said before here.

shat, be relevant.

[Blaze Zero-Three]

iPods

Pros

Wide range of accessorys

Cons

Easily Break
iTunes
Over-priced
Click-wheel
ear-buds
poor sound quality
Turning it on/off
High gloss finger print attracting surface
easily scratched metal
No charger
Propietary (I think) docking connecter

Zen

Pros

Scroll-pad
On-The-Go Deletion
On/Off/Hold switch
Ear-Buds
Good Sound Quality
Louder
Removable HDD
Creative Media Source
Voice Recorder
FM Radio
Smooth non fingerprint face plate
White scratch resistant backing
Removable Battery
Smaller
Backlit buttons
Colors

Cons

Not popular

Accessories - I don't even have any accessories for my iPod, I'm fine with the way it is.
Easily Break - Did I ever tell you guys about the time my friend's friend dropped his iPod from the roof? Still works. I don't know what's with the deal with people saying it broke because they dropped it on carpet.
iTunes - Apple isn't a very friendly company when it comes to Windows. I mentioned before: They rig iTunes for Windows to do strange things.
Click wheel - How is that a problem?
Ear buds - Those earbuds that come with the iPod? You know you can always get other earphones. Common sense.
Poor sound quality - Sound quality is dictated by the song, not by your medium.
On/Off - ZOMG I HAVE TO HOLD THE PLAY BUTTON FOR 2 SECONDS!!!
High gloss... surface - Same goes to your computer monitor, your car windows, and so forth. Just wipe to clean.
Easily scratched metal - Indeed. But why would you care? You aren't seeing the back of the iPod 95% of the time.
No charger - Er, what?
Proprietary (I think) docking connecter - Huh?

ZEN

Scroll-pad - How is this different from the click wheel?
On the go deletion - Yay.
On/Off/Hold switch - iPods make it easy. Press a button to turn on, hold the play button to turn off, hold switch on the top/bottom.
Earbuds - See iPod-related comment.
Good SQ - See iPod-related comment.
Louder - And iPods aren't loud enough? Disables its distribution to many countries.
Removable HDD - iPods dual as an external hard drive, even as a boot drive.
Creative Media Source - No idea.
Voice recorder - I'll try not to laugh.
FM radio - The iPod has a (sold separately) attachment that allows it to play AM/FM radio.
Non-fingerprint/scratch - Fingerprints and scratches you won't see most of the time really annoy you, don't they?
Smaller - Means the screen is smaller, too.
Backlit buttons - I don't think you need backlit buttons if there are only a few buttons for you to press. Also drains battery power.
Colors - YEY I CAN GET SOMETHING THAT MATCHES THE COLOR OF MY ROOM!

[Shataniska]

You haven't said anything that wasn't said before here.

shat, be relevant.


Ok,My mind was crazy,I thought it was Spammer Land,sorreh.

[e p]

iTunes - Apple isn't a very friendly company when it comes to Windows. I mentioned before: They rig iTunes for Windows to do strange things.
Poor sound quality - Sound quality is dictated by the song, not by your medium.

And the mass of people have Windows, no?

Not necessarilly. MP3 players come with equalizers, right? An MP3 can have ####ty equalizers.


Scroll-pad - How is this different from the click wheel?
On the go deletion - Yay.
Creative Media Source - No idea.
FM radio - The iPod has a (sold separately) attachment that allows it to play AM/FM radio.
Non-fingerprint/scratch - Fingerprints and scratches you won't see most of the time really annoy you, don't they?
Smaller - Means the screen is smaller, too.
Backlit buttons - I don't think you need backlit buttons if there are only a few buttons for you to press. Also drains battery power.
Colors - YEY I CAN GET SOMETHING THAT MATCHES THE COLOR OF MY ROOM!

It's different in that you go up and down and not clockwise/counterclockwise. I have used both an iPod and a Zen Sleek, and can definitely say that the pad is a lot easier to use.

Creative Media Source doesn't #### around with Windows, as you said iTunes did.

Yes, the radio for an iPod is separately. The Zen actually has it.

Yes, smaller. Smaller screen? BIG ####ING WHOOP. As you said before (related to fingerprints and scratches), things you don't see most of the time bother you? It could be possible that the screen is the same size and everything is smaller. Did you consider that?

I have no idea about backlight buttons, since mine is the same as the On/Off button. Plus, the Zen has better battery life.

Yes, some people do prefer different colors, although I really couldn't care less.

[Mikeh]

iTunes, regardless of operating system IS A PIECE OF CRAP. I am not talking about bugs or that kind of crap. The way Apple intended it to be, is ####.

[Blaze Zero-Three]

iTunes, regardless of operating system IS A PIECE OF CRAP. I am not talking about bugs or that kind of crap. The way Apple intended it to be, is ####.

Why?

[sirkillyoass]

YOU WERE ####ING ARGUING WITH YOUR OWN QUOTE. It's hard to keep up with that.

its called a non-biased argument.

[e p]

its called a non-biased argument.

HOW CAN YOU ARGUE WITH YOURSELF?


caps

[Alice Cooper]

Well, I enjoy the iPod. After using the click wheel for two years, I can't use anything else.

And with the eaily broken stuff, I've got no clue what you're talking about. I go snowboarding with my iPod everyday in the winter, and I'm none too skilled. If I ever try too do a rail, I'll usually fall flat my my iPod padded ass. And one time I even went swimming and I forgot my iPod in my pocket (Alright, only for two minutes, then I realised it was in my pocket), and it still works fine.

Mind you, I still have a problem that my last iPod had a battery life of about 5 hours.

[Final217]

For all you people trying to use 'facts' to prove your point in this, you should know something. In a discussion like this, there are no facts. In the end, it all comes down to personal preference. No mp3 player is really 'better' than another, because it all depends on what you want out of it.

As for me, I prefer the iPod, because I'm used to it, and it serves my needs perfectly fine.

[e p]

What about battery life, Final? Do people prefer MP3 players with lower battery life?

[Final217]

I'm sure the battery life in every iPod isn't exactly the same. Also true for the Zen, or the Zune, or whatever the case may be. Battery life pretty much depends on your charging habits.

[e p]

I'm sure the battery life in every iPod isn't exactly the same. Also true for the Zen, or the Zune, or whatever the case may be. Battery life pretty much depends on your charging habits.

I'm sure that the range in battery life for each iPod isn't far apart, as for the Zune, Zen, or any other one.

[Mikeh]

For all you people trying to use 'facts' to prove your point in this, you should know something. In a discussion like this, there are no facts. In the end, it all comes down to personal preference. No mp3 player is really 'better' than another, because it all depends on what you want out of it.

As for me, I prefer the iPod, because I'm used to it, and it serves my needs perfectly fine.

Actually there are many facts, such as price, accesorys, features, functionality, customer service, etc.

[Final217]

In the end, it all comes down to personal preference. No mp3 player is really 'better' than another, because it all depends on what you want out of it.

Specific accessories and features all are things that people may or may not want. As for price, people have different ideas of value, and which mp3 player they just simply like more figures into that.

And customer service is never good, I don't care what company you purchase something from. It just isn't.

[sirkillyoass]

Specific accessories and features all are things that people may or may not want. As for price, people have different ideas of value, and which mp3 player they just simply like more figures into that.

And customer service is never good, I don't care what company you purchase something from. It just isn't.

i think u just hit the nail rite on the head there.

in the end its down to what YOU think is best.
u can try ur hardest to persuade urself uv made the right choice, but there is no right or wrong.

like i said, i prefer the ipod.
easy (wheel),small,popular (therefore play more song types which friends have), and best of all its just 'ipod' so yes i am brand conscious.

[Mikeh]

i think u just hit the nail rite on the head there.

in the end its down to what YOU think is best.
u can try ur hardest to persuade urself uv made the right choice, but there is no right or wrong.

like i said, i prefer the ipod.
easy (wheel),small,popular (therefore play more song types which friends have), and best of all its just 'ipod' so yes i am brand conscious.

Nothing you just spewed made an iota of sense.

Anf Final, that's the point of a debate.

[JoeyG]

But I know what you mean, I am an avid Ipod hater. My Sansa e260 > Any comperable Ipod.

I cannot express my hatred for Sansa e260's. Their software is crap, the interface is crap and it's filled with DRM and other trash making it next to impossible to move files in between devices.

Admittedly, I've only used my sister's, and haven't had time to hack it around. I know that my iPod did everything I needed with every one of the OS's in my house without any effort at all, though. And I could put Linux on it, a feat I could not pull off with the Sansa.

yes i am brand conscious
"Brand conscious" means that you think with your head, you fool. Not that you buy whatever's trendy. I can't stand people who buy iPods because they "look nice" or "have a nice interface", because let's face it: for most people the Sansa e260 kicks Apple's ass in all those areas.

And for people who want their music player to play music, a generic $30 player will also do. Not everything is a fashion accessory.

u can try ur hardest to persuade urself uv made the right choice, but there is no right or wrong.
Yes, there is, especially in financial matters. You are going to be in so much debt, my friend.

[Mikeh]

I know that my iPod did everything I needed with every one of the OS's in my house without any effort at all, though.

iTunes requisites no effort at all, because it is the best software ever!

[e p]

in the end its down to what YOU think is best.
u can try ur hardest to persuade urself uv made the right choice, but there is no right or wrong.


Well if you paid $400 for an MP3 player that broke in a month, then you'd be pretty pissed.


like i said, i prefer the ipod.
easy (wheel),small,popular (therefore play more song types which friends have)

Easy, huh? That can be debated. The Zen pad goes up and down, instead of clockwise/counterclockwise.

Small? So are lots of others.

Popular? Yes, the iPod is popular. But how the #### does that mean that it can play more song types that your friends have? Does that mean that whatever MP3 player you get corresponds to what music that you like? What the #### are you saying there?

[JoeyG]

iTunes requisites no effort at all, because it is the best software ever!

iTunes runs on only two operating systems that I know of. Hardly the "best software ever".

[Woolfenstien]

iTunes requisites no effort at all, because it is the best software ever!
*selects "My Music" folder*
*right clicks*
*sends to eVic (F:\)*
LOL IM DUN

[Mikeh]

I was kidding. -_- iTunes is the almost as bad as the PS3.

[sirkillyoass]

Well if you paid $400 for an MP3 player that broke in a month, then you'd be pretty pissed.




Easy, huh? That can be debated. The Zen pad goes up and down, instead of clockwise/counterclockwise.

Small? So are lots of others.

Popular? Yes, the iPod is popular. But how the #### does that mean that it can play more song types that your friends have? Does that mean that whatever MP3 player you get corresponds to what music that you like? What the #### are you saying there?

im saying that because it is popular... and that it is only player to play aac files, then that means people who have aac files can share between ipods.

and also about the 'you do what you think is best'
that means that if you are willing to pay in excess of what others would pay for, then surely you think you are making the right decision, and that it is worth it.
so it is entirely down to the buyer's circumstances and needs.

[Joest]

I don't give a crap about ACC. I'll just take my MP3 and my WAV files.

#### iPods.

[e p]

Wouldn't it be easier to just use MP3 files?

[Logic]

It would be easier with MP3s. You know what'd be even easier though?

OGG and FLAC - both free for personal or commercial use and offering the best compression. OGG replaces lossy formats (like MP3, WMA, AAC) and FLAC replaces compressed formats (like WAV).

Relative to the topic at hand, you can get any device from a wide variety and install Rockbox or iPodLinux on it and run all of those formats (except WMA).

[sirkillyoass]

yes the majority of my songs are mp3.
BUT i'm saying because some people have aac files... then ipod users (the majority) can then share easily.

i think this is kind of also why pc is more popular than mac even though technically mac is better. everyone has pc and lots of software are only for pc so everyone continues to buy pc.

[Mikeh]

You can't share from iPod to iPod you dumbass.

And besides AAC is a format made by Apple (like WMA and Windows)... so if you don't have an iPod you wouldn't have AAC's anyway.

And PC's > Mac's. But that's another thread.

[ccc.money]

This is completely off subject but.
GO ZUNES!

But if I had to pick..Ipod.Only because I had one for a day.I returned it for a zune : D.

[e p]

Hello? A zune is an MP3 player.

[JoeyG]

And an iPod is not?

I'd better get my mp3's off my iPod, because apparently they're causing me to hallucinate hearing music!

[e p]

I never said it wasn't.

[JoeyG]

Then what was the point of this thread?

[sirkillyoass]

You can't share from iPod to iPod you dumbass.

And besides AAC is a format made by Apple (like WMA and Windows)... so if you don't have an iPod you wouldn't have AAC's anyway.

And PC's > Mac's. But that's another thread.

yer i no dumbass, u share by sending it to each other dumbass
1. email
2. msn
3. pen drive
4. store on ipod then connect up to friend's itunes.
5. many other ways..

duh

and you have also just proved my point, the fact that most people DO have ipods mean that you CAN use aac files.

[ccc.money]

Hello? A zune is an MP3 player.

Hmm,oh.Its different though.Isnt it?

[Mikeh]

yer i no dumbass, u share by sending it to each other dumbass

Shut up you ####.


1. email
2. msn
3. pen drive
4. store on ipod then connect up to friend's itunes.
5. many other ways..


That's exactly what I think of when buying a personal sound device.

duh

I'm suprised only one of these made it into your post.

and you have also just proved my point, the fact that most people DO have ipods mean that you CAN use aac files.

I didn't prove any OF your points. You tried to use .AAC compatability as an advantage to an iPod. I clearly disproved that, becuase no one without an iPod would want or need an iPod to play these formats, as they don't have any .AAC files to begin with.

[sirkillyoass]

i never said aac. was an advantage, im saying if people do have aac then they can share it with other ipod users because there are so many other ipod users.

[Mikeh]

i never said aac. was an advantage, im saying if people do have aac then they can share it with other ipod users because there are so many other ipod users.

That's an advantage you ####.

[Joest]

yer i no dumbass, u share by sending it to each other dumbass
1. email
2. msn
3. pen drive
4. store on ipod then connect up to friend's itunes.
5. many other ways..
#### you.

1. Why would you want to do all of those? If I wanted you send someone a song I would send an MP3 attachment through Email.

2. What's the point of that? Email is easyer.

3. It's called a Flash Drive or a Thumb Drive. Not a pen drive.

4. No.

5. List them, please.

[e p]

Then what was the point of this thread?

Don't ask me. I didn't make it.

[sirkillyoass]

#### you.

1. Why would you want to do all of those? If I wanted you send someone a song I would send an MP3 attachment through Email.

2. What's the point of that? Email is easyer.

3. It's called a Flash Drive or a Thumb Drive. Not a pen drive.

4. No.

5. List them, please.


1. email= attachment you retard
2. msn, fot those who go on it and actually have friends. you can send it whilst chatting
3. it is called a pen drive as well, google it if you want. people call it different names, you obviously have come across it before since you understand what i meant.
4. fine don't, use the other 3 possible methods. im just suggesting ways to send a song.
5. send from a phone via blutooth, burn some on a cd...

[e p]

Isn't it easier to just tell a friend to download a song from their computer? Or just email them an MP3 file.

[Mikeh]

You stupid ####. It- hmm. How can I get you do understand this... ? Oh yes:

IT ISN'T ANY EASIER TO SEND SOMEONE AN ACC FILE THAN SEND SOMEONE AN MP3 FILE. IN FACT, ANYONE CAN USE AN MP3 FILE MAKING IT THE BETTER CHOICE. DUH.

There we go.

[Logic]

AAC and MP3 files are both proprietary, lossy formats but MP3 has wider support due to some sneaky legal manuevers by its developers. They originally licensed it for free and gave it "universal" appeals and later slapped on licensing fees, effectively screwing everyone over. AAC has always been proprietary for iTunes (Apple) and Nero. In short, NO, not everybody can use an MP3 file unless they have a licensed decoder (legally).

So what's the easiest format to send music in? OGG or FLAC, both free and non-proprietary. OGG offers the best compression available for a lossy format and FLAC offers the best compression for a lossy format. Neither supports DRM, has any legal binding issues, or ever will.

[sirkillyoass]

You stupid ####. It- hmm. How can I get you do understand this... ? Oh yes:

IT ISN'T ANY EASIER TO SEND SOMEONE AN ACC FILE THAN SEND SOMEONE AN MP3 FILE. IN FACT, ANYONE CAN USE AN MP3 FILE MAKING IT THE BETTER CHOICE. DUH.

There we go.

please read what i put before flaming, because u certainly did not get my point of argument.
my argument is that ipod supprts aac
therefore if one was to have aac, then one could send it to another.
other players cannot supprt aac, and since ipod is the majority then there is more chance that one might use aac and thereofre more chance to send the file.
please don't use big writing, its extremely childish.

[e p]

Or you can use an MP3 file, which can be used by many players, including iPods.

[Logic]

^ Universal formats usually are more widely supported than proprietary ones.