God or Aliens?

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

Who has a better chance of existing? GOD or ALIENS?

You gotta really think on this question.

[The First]

duh, god. No questions asked

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

duh, god. No questions asked

wheres the proof?
(im not atheist or anything)

[Hand of the Castle]

I have to say... probably aliens... though not like huge aliens which are similiar to us, just bacterial aliens... :mrgreen: It has been proven! LIFE HAS BEEN FOUND ON MARS!

[The First]

Your full of it HotC.. #-o

[Hand of the Castle]

Sure I am.. SUre.... And magus is cooler than melfice! :mrgreen:

[Millions Knives]

probably aliens. god cant be proved nor can it be disproved. where as the universe is HUGE, what are the probablilities that one wont have aliens.?

[The First]

Magus is cool, but Melfice is cooler!! :P

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

Aliens are winning! 2 to 1!

[Millions Knives]

3 to 1, you mean

[Hand of the Castle]

And aliens already have been found, though not what we all think, they are aliens none the less.... Just bacteria and microbes... etc...

Bah! When square remakes CT! You'll see....

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

CT? do you mean Chrono Trigger?

[Hand of the Castle]

Yes Chrono Trigger...

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

that game is teh funneh

[Vagrant]

I'd say God.... because he's all powerful

The chances of intelligent aliens are 500000000000000 to one

[The First]

I got someone that agrees with me at least.. :?

Castle is Chrono Trigger coming out for ps2? I hope not.. I want it for gamecube or xbox i dont have ps2

[jason]

lol i have ps2

[Hand of the Castle]

CT isn't being remade at all.... But it would be sweet if it would be...

[jason]

ct i need to get dat game

[Hand of the Castle]

Unlikely that you will, it's such an old game...

[Vagrant]

and it costs $100 now

[jason]

holy that is pretty expensive what is for snes

[Hand of the Castle]

It's for snes but it's rare so that does make sense... Heh heh, I got lucky once, I got a megadrive and 6-8 games for only 4 pounds(UK money).

[Vagrant]

There is a version for PS (the original) taht comes with FF 4. Here's a pic. I'm holding it up to my cam

[jason]

cool u got a webcam lol i dont

[Hand of the Castle]

Sweet! I didn't know they released CT with chronicles... Did they add new bonus stuff with it like the FFs?

[Vagrant]

They put it in with FF IV... it has extras like special movies that were made by the maker of dbz, so they're pretty good quality

[jason]

lol i m gonna get it no matter what

[Millions Knives]

hehe i still have my snes cart of chrono trigger :lol:

[Vagrant]

It's still out as far as I know. My brother was a loyal CT fan, so he found that it was coming out and bought it.

[jason]

oic hm.. i will check tomorrow

[kevinok]

okay yes there are aliens they have been found and there is proof. Even if you dont believe the life they found on that metor from mars then just think of it the odds are there has to be life out there. Also vag no one said anything about intelagent life here

[Vagrant]

Aliens haven't been found, but there is proof kevinok.

I personally sorta think that if there are aliens, that they're like 'hands of god' sorta thing

[Hand of the Castle]

If there are aliens and they're hands of God sorta thing, that somewhat is confusing. Because I thought we, the humans, were god's last and finest creation, etc. By being hands of god, wouldn't that mean that they're somewhat superior to us? And that we're not the last and finest?

[Millions Knives]

hands of god? i dont get it...

[Hand of the Castle]

They're like his servants, etc... If you know what I mean...

[kevinok]

no he's saying that god made them and yes there is proof it's the thing hand was talking about

[Hand of the Castle]

Mars and micro-organisms... Not the exact aliens you think of but aliens none the less... Just because they're not some predatorial killer psycho alien with a killer tongue doesn't mean that they're not aliens...

[Vagrant]

They're controlled by him, meaning they're not the last and finest... Btw, who says we're the finest? lol

What I found odd is that most ppl with credentials who say they saw ufo's, saw them usually disabling things closely related to ICBM's...

[Hand of the Castle]

If they are his "hands" and they do destroy our weapons of destruction, then there may be truth that god exists... But it's pretty far fetched...

EDIT: I thought I read that we were his last and greatest creation somewhere in the bible, but it's been ages since my last RE lesson so you'll have to double check for me... I'd check but I'm too lazy. :P :mrgreen:

[kevinok]

well vag there is life on other plants

[The First]

I wonder if god controls our thoughts? :-s

[Hand of the Castle]

IF he controlled our thoughts, it'll be hyper contradictory because he supposedly gave us freedom... If he controls us, I don't think many of you will agree that that's freedom...

[kevinok]

yea theres no way he would be controling my thoughs

[Millions Knives]

if there IS a god and he DOES control out thoughts, why does he control athiests to no believe in him? btw im agnostic

[kevinok]

yea im agnosic to

[theryman]

the micro organisms found on mars were dead. God exists (capitalize it, ppl. were not egyptians). He doesnt control us (if he did, we would always be praying, not on the internet).

[Millions Knives]

theryman, you cant prove God exist, nor can I disprove his existance, so it all depends on what you beleive in...

[Vagrant]

well vag there is life on other plants

Have you seen any? Honestly... there are very few star systems that have planets, let alone in the 'habitable region' then with the perfect conditions to create a highly complex piece of sugar.

[kevinok]

i will not spell god like G-D or GOD of God i will spell it if i want to as dog but i say god

[Vagrant]

He doesn't like using caps in other words....

[theryman]

Well, knives, have u ever heard of the bible? that is a historical document. saying God never existed is like saying the egyptians never biult pyramids.

[kevinok]

the bible is just a book

[The First]

It's a very true book kevinok. Read it, long book indeed

[kevinok]

theres to many contradictions in it

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

theres to many contradictions in it

STOP FRIKKEN COMPLAING AND READ!!!

[kevinok]

i have read it

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

stop lying and read it!

[InsaneFootman]

i'll go with god on this one

[kevinok]

i have read it

[The First]

I never read the whole thing before. Too long for me.

[kevinok]

yea i have and it's bs

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

you are saying the bible is BULLSHIT?! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?!

[Hand of the Castle]

There are many people who don't believe in the bible, can't help it, just the way things are...

[Vagrant]

That's what sucks... and I heard in the news that they're discussing the first openly gay bishop. If they accept him, the Catholic church is no longer anywhere close to right.

[Rambo]

i believe in god but that doesnt mean he's real. Aliens do exist. ilegal aliens. well, u didnt specify WHAT KIND of aliens

[kevinok]

That's what sucks... and I heard in the news that they're discussing the first openly gay bishop. If they accept him, the Catholic church is no longer anywhere close to right.

okay i have a question is being mean to people good just because there different

[Millions Knives]

but... no offense to gays or anything.. but isn't homosexuality bad according to the bible (i think)

[kevinok]

well even if it is bad it is still there choice to do what they want. Isnt that what christ died for to give people choice

[Hand of the Castle]

Actually he died to purify us from our sins... I think... not choice... But I haven't read the bible so bleh...

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

is swearing a sin?

[Hand of the Castle]

I think it is... But I don't know, ask someone who knows the bible word for word...

[Vagrant]

It is... It says somewhere, do not slander thy mouth with unholy words or something like that

[kevinok]

vag read my comment

[Millions Knives]

cussing isnt really a sin, i dont think. why should words considered taboo by society be a sin? its only a "sin" if someone you should respect tells you not to say it then its a sin, such as your parents telling you not to.

[Hand of the Castle]

Which in most cases parents tell children not to swear... so... blech...

[kevinok]

it's not the word that is bad it's the idea behined it that is bad

[Vagrant]

Kevinok is right about that. If each word had a different meaning, then they wouldn't be cuss.

[kevinok]

i just dont think that people should cuss like on this site

[Hand of the Castle]

You can't help it though, some people just can't find an easier way of venting their rage... SUch as myself, but I restrain myself... Which sometimes causes me to just randomly get angry...

[kevinok]

well like me i only cuss when im like at school

[Hand of the Castle]

I only swear when I'm alone or when I'm so pissed off at a guy I just can't hold it in and I have to fricking kick the living crap out of him and eat his heart out... *cough* temporary rage... :mrgreen:

[Vagrant]

I hold it in till nobody's around... but then again I don't always cuss either.... I have like a 'cold storage' for anger, leading to blind rages...

[kevinok]

like i dont ever swear at home or atleast around my parents i just have different langue for different peoples

[The First]

*Vagrant your gonna be a genius very soon* Try to become a genius on your birthday Vagrant, that would be cool :D

[Hand of the Castle]

Sometimes I swear in on eof the many different languages I know... *cough* No one knows what the hell I'm talking about in that way...

[kevinok]

well im close to being a billionare

[Millions Knives]

lol i swear alot... when i cant swear to let out my anger, i go freak out later on,, if it weren't for cussing, i would have beaten alot of people up by now (and got beaten up myself too)

[Hand of the Castle]

Bah! Expel your anger through exercise, so if you get into a fight you *can* beat them up. It's one of the reasons I like to run. Sometimes I just fuel myself with rage and actually run at top speed for a long time...

[kevinok]

you and your fighting

[CastleFreak04]

id say that both exist.....but if i had to pick one i would pick God

[Hand of the Castle]

I don't fight, I try and stay pacific... I just run to let my rage out...

[theryman]

back on topi. though im sure God would rather u vent ur anger through excersise than on ur sister. God, no doudt. now looks like majority is God.

[kevinok]

okay can you type it as god once

[Millions Knives]

whats wrong with typing god with out a capital?

[kevinok]

well i think it's why alot of people write it like G-D

[[WDL]Major]

GOD

[kevinok]

come on say it like this god

[Millions Knives]

whats G-D?

[kevinok]

a lot of orthodox jews write it as G-D

[Vagrant]

he meant God with - instead of an o

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

why do jews write it like that anyway?

[kevinok]

um i think they think there not worthy yet or some thing

[theryman]

its because Hes so holy. why do i say it God? b/c its saying He is the one and the only God.

[kevinok]

and how do you know you have the right god. Also read the bible theres about 5 different gods in there. Also I dont think if there is a god god would not be a he

[theryman]

5 different gods? yea, they make remarks about the egyptians gods, but they dont exist. wat other gods?

[Icek05]

God.. definately.. im not gonna get into a huge argument about this or anythign but yea.. its obvious

[kevinok]

well each different way the say god or lord means a different god. The reason for this is that the bible is maybe up from many different versions of the same story (sorry i dont mean it that way but thats the only word i can think of) from different familys. I know that is not how the bible said it was done but if you read around you would see that what im saying is true. If you read the bible closely you can see storys repete but are alittle different.

[theryman]

well, theirs Abba, God, Lord, Father, Almight one, Alpha, Omega, Saviour, Messiah, Redeemer, Friend, Prince of Peace, Jesus, Christ, Lamb of God, Ancient One, Holy Spirit, King of Kings, and Holy Ghost to name a few, but their all reffering to one of the 3 parts of God.

[kevinok]

but there are also the spellings of GOD, God, Lord, and The Lord. Each of those mean a different god

[theryman]

Yes, but Jacob and Noah still talked to the same God! And Peter and Judas still new the same Jesus! Wat u r trying to say, is that if u beleive evrything the bible says is true, then u are polytheistic!

[kevinok]

well read the first book and tell if it repetes it self like i say it does

[theryman]

wat are u? a polytheistic? or do u belong to a cult? practically the wholeworld agrees there is 1 God!

[kevinok]

i dont believe in god but i do believe in read closely so please read it and tell me what you find

[theryman]

u dont beleive in God? well, all i can do is wonder wat has happened in your life. how were you brought up. wat could be so horrible that it made u deny the 1 person that can help you. the bible is more than i holy book. it is a historical document. if all those people saw Jesus die for us on the cross, and saw him, walking out of the tomb, saw the holes in his hands, the scar on his side, how can all those ppl be wroong. try praying. believ me, it helps. i am goin on vacation on thursday, but i will read it. i will prove to you that there is a God, that Jesus died for us, and, that if u dont change ur mind, u will, unfortunately, burn in hell. for Jesus says "The only way to my Father, is through Me." Im going now, im going to read it. i wish u a good night.

[Hand of the Castle]

I used to believe in God... But I lost faith along the way I guess... And I used to pray, but then I nothing ever happened. It's like I was never answered. I guess the entire point's having faith, etc. But you know, it's hard to keep a grip on it for so long and not being answered... And we aren't truly sure if it's a historical document, I mean, the other religions have their books don't they? Are you saying that all of those are wrong?

[CastleFreak04]

u cant say ne religion is wrong. becuase there is no way to prove urs is right

[Hand of the Castle]

Exactly what I'm saying...

[CastleFreak04]

yeah we are right

[kevinok]

no i dont have a problem with god but i do have a problem with religen

[Millions Knives]

u dont beleive in God? well, all i can do is wonder wat has happened in your life. how were you brought up. wat could be so horrible that it made u deny the 1 person that can help you. the bible is more than i holy book. it is a historical document. if all those people saw Jesus die for us on the cross, and saw him, walking out of the tomb, saw the holes in his hands, the scar on his side, how can all those ppl be wroong. try praying. believ me, it helps. i am goin on vacation on thursday, but i will read it. i will prove to you that there is a God, that Jesus died for us, and, that if u dont change ur mind, u will, unfortunately, burn in hell. for Jesus says "The only way to my Father, is through Me." Im going now, im going to read it. i wish u a good night.

What you believe isn't neccesarily what other people believe. Some people question if a god exists. It doesn't make them a bad person, they just don't know is there is a higher power. As I have said, there is no way to prove that there is a god, and vice versa. Burn in hell? For what sins? Of not believing in the same god as you do? And yes, alot of people believe in ONE god, and what makes you think they all believe in the same one? I could go and on... but im gonna eat. :lol:

[theryman]

Jesus says that the only way to His Father is through Him

[Millions Knives]

What about Jews and Muslims. They don't beleive in Jesus. Are they wrong too.?

[CastleFreak04]

no no one is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! becuas eno one can prove ne thing

[Uncle Sam Eagle]

Can we talk about Aliens now?

[CastleFreak04]

lol well aliens arent as interesting

[Icek05]

I disagree with Jews and Muslims i won't say they are "wrong" but i do not believe they will go to heaven.

[CastleFreak04]

anyone that believe jesus christ died for ur sins then you will go to heaven

[Vagrant]

Exactly what I've been arguing for. Finally some backup

[CastleFreak04]

so what are u? catholic lutheran morman ??? or the big bang person

[Vagrant]

Christian. And I'm sticking to it....

I say Catholics are bad (IE: crusades)

I say Mormons are wrong (IE: DNA evidence)

Lutherans are just a different kind of Protestant, like Baptists

[kevinok]

christans wait are they the inquastion

[Vagrant]

no, they're protestants. The Inquisition was a long time ago kevin

[CastleFreak04]

wait vagrant do u know what ur talking about? catholics lutherans and religions like that are all christian

[kevinok]

different aspects of it those

[Vagrant]

No they aren't. There's differences oh smart one.

Catholics believe works get you into heaven.

Protestants believe faith with a byproduct of works gets you into heaven.

Mormon, phhtt they're extra tales are lies, so obviously NO.

[kevinok]

then you get in to calvanist, and about 20 other big things branch offs

[CastleFreak04]

alright i say we jus all stop arguing

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

God is an Alien.

[CastleFreak04]

ur an alien

[kevinok]

and you need to stop spamming

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

Well think about it. He does seem like one. Right?

[CastleFreak04]

im not spamming kevin so jus shut the hell up

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

Castlefreak04, Stay ontopic will you. Anyways, God does have some the characteristics of an alien.

[Hand of the Castle]

Bah! I'm not in an arguing mood today so I'll say this... If god does exist, as in the god we're all talking about, and if we don't believe in us he sends us to burn in hell, then what the hell kind of god is he!? Seriously, just because some of us are wayward, does it really mean we should burn in hell? I mean, sure I understand that if I kill someone in cold blood, poof, hell, I'm fine with that, that makes sense and all, but if just because we lost faith and became wayward we HAVE to burn in hell, well I'd be pretty pissed... There's such a thing as rehabilition for crying out loud!

Well that's my two cents for today...


*cough* And I'd somewhat believe it if god was an alien... It happened in CT to some extent....

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

CT?

[Liokae]

God.. definately.. im not gonna get into a huge argument about this or anythign but yea.. its obvious

And yet another person joins the "Stupid" denomination of religion.

[Liokae]

I disagree with Jews and Muslims i won't say they are "wrong" but i do not believe they will go to heaven.

Then you haven't looked into your religion very well, because your own precious Bible states very specifically that the Jews *are* going to Heaven.

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

it's sad really. Oh well

[kevinok]

the bible and the karrha both state that the jews are the choosen people

[Vagrant]

Yes.... it is true..... But with the Jessus thing, it showed how off they had gotten... but what is funny is that Jesus was a Jew

[kevinok]

yea well i dont believe the whole jesus thing

[CastleFreak04]

but u believe that god made the big bang right?

[kevinok]

no i do not believe in god or anything s/he did

[Vagrant]

He doesn't believe in God, Castlefreak

[kevinok]

well im undecied on god

[eatmorchikin6464]

heres a funny bumper sticker saying: hmmm.... jesus, my invicibal friend's name is bobo

[Vagrant]

Ummm... that was random and didn't belong in this topic...

[Liokae]

Besides, the "I have found him, I have Jesus... in the trunk." bumper sticker is much better.

[eatmorchikin6464]

i no. but it was about god not bein real

[kevinok]

Besides, the "I have found him, I have Jesus... in the trunk." bumper sticker is much better.

George Carlin

[tiritaka]

yay kevinok, i don't believe in jesus/god too......i have no idea how the world was made, but i'm sure it wasn't by the big bang or by god's will......

[eatmorchikin6464]

i have no religion, so i can do wahtever i want

[kevinok]

yay kevinok, i don't believe in jesus/god too......i have no idea how the world was made, but i'm sure it wasn't by the big bang or by god's will......

I do believe in the big bang and there is proof that it happen

[eatmorchikin6464]

yeah same for me, there is logical since in it

[CastleFreak04]

hhahahahah logical sense? yeah a huge explosion cause the universe to appear

[kevinok]

no there is proof

[CastleFreak04]

what proof u never told me the proof

[kevinok]

okay lets look at the universe every second it's getting bigger. Also radio teloscopes have picked up echos on a blast

[CastleFreak04]

uh......that doenst have ne thing to do w/ a huge blast making the universe

[Millions Knives]

actually, there is no way to tell if the universe is getting bigger, if it was getting bigger, it would be a finite space. since we have never gotten to the "end" of the universe, there is no way to tell.

[CastleFreak04]

the universe is infinite

[Namhet]

Actually, the universe is getting bigger (we can tell by the red shift of stars). Red shift is waves getting bigger as objects move farther away. Also, we know by this that the universe's expansion is actually speeding up.

[Millions Knives]

prove it. (towards castle freak)

[CastleFreak04]

there is no way to prove it is infinite or finite.....we havent built a space shuttle capable of getting even past mars w/ humans in it...so we will probably never know....

[Millions Knives]

but didnt you just say it was infinite? you contradict yourself.

[kevinok]

Actually, the universe is getting bigger (we can tell by the red shift of stars). Red shift is waves getting bigger as objects move farther away. Also, we know by this that the universe's expansion is actually speeding up.

well atleast im not the only person that knows anything

[Namhet]

The universe is expanding at near the speed of light. Therefore, if it keeps speeding up:

It may reach the speed of light (i know the theory of general relativity says this is not so- but the theory of general relativity also predicted its own downfall) and stop at the speed... therefore, no light would be moving relative to us, so everything would appear stagnant, nothing would move.

If we get faster than the speed of light, we would be plunged into eternal darkness. the question is though- Which, to you, is scarier?

[kevinok]

also you would age slower

[Namhet]

Well, there would be no time, as our entire concept of time is based on light.

And i also think this thread is stupid. Why cant god and aliens co-exist?

[tiritaka]

yeah, i think there are aliens but i don't believe god.............

this whole expanding thing it's true, at least i believe it, science can tell it beacuse they can see that the planets are "moving" and getting far from each other all the time....they have their way to know, don't ask me, i ain't no scientist...........

There's also an theory that one day the sun Helium will end, causing lots of chemicals reactions and it will make the sun mass expand in an scary speed and size, "eating" the earth and the other sollar system planets, but i don't know if that's true.............

[Namhet]

The sun's hydrogen will run out eventually, and it is a boderline size where it might be a white dwarf/neutron star or it might be a red giant/black hole.

[Vagrant]

Let me explain...

Scientists believe that the big bang occurred because of the current motion of the galaxies. They are all moving away from a specific point in the universe, which is supposedly where the explosion took place.

As for the sun dying. Tritaka is right. It will run out of hydrogen (not helium) and it will turn a dark red. It will then expand to engulf the inner planets. But because it is a medium star, it will then lose it's gravity collapse back to the size of Earth (it will have the same mass though) become a white dwarf which glows only because of it's former energy, then once the glow is gone, it will become a black dwarf. A spoonful of the material is supposed to have the mass of a pickup truck.

[kevinok]

hey that not bad vag

[Vagrant]

I think of science as an understanding of God's work. That's partly why I like it so much.

[Namhet]

Vag- The sun's size is a kind of in-between size, they dont know its starting mass (or amybe they do- a lot of my physics stuff is dated, im too poor to buy newer books :| ) but im not sure if the diameter is enough to escape being a black hole... so yeah.

[Vagrant]

The scientists say it's a medium star. A star keeps the same mass for the entirety of it's life. Why? because fusion doesn't destroy mass, it just turns the hydrogen into helium. Secondly, the gravity keeps the atoms from flying off...

Scientists also say that compared to diameter of giant stars, ours is only a medium...

Also, I forgot another way of our star's dying.

It could have just enough molecules left over after the expansion to form a new star, but it would be one of the smallest star types.

Edit:

Ok, here are some images comparing Sol and the supergiant Betelgeuse (pronounced Beetle Juice)

These are pictures taken from a star viewer program. Both are from the distance of about 8 AU (astronomical Units) Compare the size. Supergiant to medium.


That's a huge and I mean HUGE difference

Man I love my star viewing program. And best of all it's free.

[kevinok]

the sun is to small to be a black hole

[Vagrant]

you think? Compared to Betelgeuse, it is too small. geez, betelgeuse is huge.

[kevinok]

unless im mistaken the color of that star is orange

[Vagrant]

It's red. The temperature of Sol and Betelgeuse are very different. The hotter a star is, the closer to bluish white it is. Our star is hotter than Betelgeuse, even though it is smaller.

[kevinok]

i thought the hotter stars are blueish like vega

[Vagrant]

Here's the scale....

Red = cold star
Orange = cold/medium warm
Yellow = medium
Some color here = Medium/hot
Blue = hot
White = Hottest fricking star in the sky

[kevinok]

yea i use to know so much about this stuff

[CastleFreak04]

that is very interesting.....is white a plasma star?

[Vagrant]

Never heard of a plasma star.... it's just superhot.....

[Namhet]

Plasma state is when atoms have no electrons.

And vag, no, fusion releases energy, so the mass goes down, which is why stars die in the first place.

[Vagrant]

stars die because they don't have any more hydrogen atoms to fuse tehman.

I don't think the energy takes away the mass.... but it might.

[kevinok]

it just runs out of fuel to put it in a nice way

[Namhet]

It does. The atoms eventually break down again during fission, but they lose a neutron sometimes during the process, and therefore the mass is lost.

[Vagrant]

that's what I mean.... it doesn't run out because lower mass.... that would mean black holes, white dwarfs and black dwarfs would never exist if they had no mass...

[CastleFreak04]

wait this conversation has nothing to do w/ the thread....should i make a thread about stars?

[kevinok]

well it's just very denese matter

[Vagrant]

I doubt we'd move the conversation

Btw, everyone, my star viewer program is called Celestia

hompage for it is: http://www.shatters.net/celestia/

[Namhet]

I was writing something really really wrong and my computer crashed. screw this.

[CastleFreak04]

alright every continue ur convo about stars on the star thread...and dont spam up this thread....

[kevinok]

I doubt we'd move the conversation

Btw, everyone, my star viewer program is called Celestia

hompage for it is: http://www.shatters.net/celestia/

yea that is a very good prog

[Vagrant]

I love it.... it's just that the 'more info' thingy doesn't give any info you'd like to know tho...

[porch monkey]

owned

[DarkReality]

Congratulations. You just broke the record in bringing back dead topics that no one cares about anymore without adding anything useless.

You fail at life. Quit now and play something else.