View Full Version : Loch ness monster, big foot, and other mythical creatures.
Aeroglyphix
08-16-2006, 12:27 PM
Do you believe in any of them?
Blaze Zero-Three
08-16-2006, 12:27 PM
No, I don't believe in any of them.
Jimbimanim II
08-16-2006, 12:30 PM
nope...
just some stories that some old dude told some guy...who told another guy etc etc.
Roadkill
08-16-2006, 12:41 PM
yea I believe in then but not big foot they found out that wasnt real awhile ago but I believe in the lochness monster
Vagrant
08-16-2006, 12:55 PM
Rofl.
Because we all know that a giant exothermic animal can survive eons from the ages of dinosaurs (And Ice Age!) and evade all the cameras and surveillance equipment of man at the same time. So much for that, Loch Ness monster.
And we all know that Yeti/Big Foot exist, when perhaps there's fuzzy animals in the forest that can WALK ON TWO LEGS when they're threatened. These fuzzy animals happen to be called bears. In the flash of a second, it would be easy to mistake a bear for a walking animal. Not to mention, all "photos" and "evidence" of Big Foot is either completely shoddy or fake.
As for the other mythical creatures, name a few so I can bash the urban myths.
Mafiaboy20
08-16-2006, 01:22 PM
Do you believe in any of them?
Im too old to belive that fairy tail bull. I belive in Unicorns and Pixis and Fairy Mothers. You know, the stuff that DOSE exist?
Liniar
08-16-2006, 01:32 PM
Well about bigfoot, one time I found this track in my playground at school which was large and it could't be a bear as I don't live near them anyways (it's real) and I've seen a cropsicle in the same place but more than 1 time
Vince
08-16-2006, 01:32 PM
No, but I do believe in Santa. >_>
That and a double hawk.
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1669/lawlom3.png
Mafiaboy20
08-16-2006, 01:33 PM
No, but I do believe in Santa. >_>
That and a double hawk.
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1669/lawlom3.png
What about Pixies and Fairys and your fairy god mother?
Liniar
08-16-2006, 01:34 PM
That's an edited pic. I can tell y it not exactly even touching the body but it is C&Ped
Ijiero
08-16-2006, 01:36 PM
These kinds of creatures are more formally known as cryptids and are subjects to the study known as cryptozoology.
There are two kinds of cryptids:
-the stupid, famous and non-existing cryptids
-the plausible and probably existing cryptids
Bigfoot, loch ness, whatever are a part of the first group. Anyone who knows just the slightest bit of cryptozoology knows that these do NOT exist. So this question is fairly irrelevant.
neotris9
08-16-2006, 01:36 PM
Their is a logical explanation for everything abnormal, big foot could be a man suffereing from "giantism" and some kid made a joke about it.
All lies made by somone at one moment in time and spread around the world.
Vince
08-16-2006, 01:41 PM
That's an edited pic. I can tell y it not exactly even touching the body but it is C&Ped
Congratulations, you took a obvious joke seriously. =S
Demetri Martin FTW
Mafiaboy20
08-16-2006, 01:47 PM
Congratulations, you took a obvious joke seriously. =S
Demetri Martin FTW
I hate that
Alphaniner
08-16-2006, 02:41 PM
I have a Nessie T-Shirt. I don't like Big Foot.
<3 Nessie.
Kevim
08-16-2006, 03:01 PM
Because we all know that a giant exothermic animal can survive eons from the ages of dinosaurs (And Ice Age!) and evade all the cameras and surveillance equipment of man at the same time. So much for that, Loch Ness monster.
Take out the word exothermic and I can one-up that with two words.
Giant Squid.
And besides, by this time Nessie and her brethren could have evolved gills and adapted to a cold, deep-sea enviorment. Big Foot would have been caught by now, but I think the Loch Ness monster (Or some variation) could be real.
No, but I do believe in Santa. >_>
That and a double hawk.
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1669/lawlom3.png
Crap I forget that stand-up comedians name who came up with that. He has to be my favorite stand-up comic who ever used as many props as he does in his act.
Vagrant
08-16-2006, 04:35 PM
Take out the word exothermic and I can one-up that with two words.
Giant Squid.
Giant Squid exist in the ocean. The Loch Ness monster exists in a lake -- a relatively finite amount of space. In order for a species of animal to survive, it must have enough members of the species to reproduce. Given that the legends say the Loch Ness monster is huge, we should have found it by now if it has a family, and they're ALL huge.
Giant Squid exist in the depths of the ocean, have been photographed from reputable sources, and have been known to exist before we even had submarines; Whalers who hunted sperm whale often found giant tentacle arms that the whales had vomited up while attempting to escape the whalers. Sperm whales also generally have numerous suction cup scars around their heads. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A_piece_of_sperm_whale_skin_with_Giant_Squid _sucker_scars.JPG)
Almost all that is known about deep sea squid has been learned from specimens found in captured Sperm Whale stomachs.
Aeroglyphix
08-16-2006, 04:42 PM
Giant Squid exist in the ocean. The Loch Ness monster exists in a lake -- a relatively finite amount of space. In order for a species of animal to survive, it must have enough members of the species to reproduce. Given that the legends say the Loch Ness monster is huge, we should have found it by now if it has a family, and they're ALL huge.
Giant Squid exist in the depths of the ocean, have been photographed from reputable sources, and have been known to exist before we even had submarines; Whalers who hunted sperm whale often found giant tentacle arms that the whales had vomited up while attempting to escape the whalers. Sperm whales also generally have numerous suction cup scars around their heads. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A_piece_of_sperm_whale_skin_with_Giant_Squid _sucker_scars.JPG)I saw that on the discovery channel when they were searching for the Giant Squid.
WaterZoma
08-16-2006, 04:59 PM
Big Foot isn't real. The person who played the role as Big Foot as he joke died some time ago. After he died his family revealed what he did. They revealed that Big Foot wasn't real and that he was created for a joke.
zafarat
08-16-2006, 05:11 PM
Crap I forget that stand-up comedians name who came up with that. He has to be my favorite stand-up comic who ever used as many props as he does in his act.That would be Demitri Martin he is awesome. And to be on topic people have claimed they saw Big Foot in the wooded areas outside of the basin that my town is in, but there are bears out there so I don't believe them.
Kevim
08-16-2006, 05:12 PM
Giant Squid exist in the ocean. The Loch Ness monster exists in a lake -- a relatively finite amount of space. In order for a species of animal to survive, it must have enough members of the species to reproduce. Given that the legends say the Loch Ness monster is huge, we should have found it by now if it has a family, and they're ALL huge.
Giant Squid exist in the depths of the ocean, have been photographed from reputable sources, and have been known to exist before we even had submarines; Whalers who hunted sperm whale often found giant tentacle arms that the whales had vomited up while attempting to escape the whalers. Sperm whales also generally have numerous suction cup scars around their heads. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A_piece_of_sperm_whale_skin_with_Giant_Squid _sucker_scars.JPG)
Have you not heard of the large cave that exists in Loch Ness? That cave could very possibly link to the ocean, and Nessie and her cousins might just go to Loch Ness to mate or something.
And even if the cave doesn't connect to the ocean, there are a few more points I want to make.
1. Loch Ness is huge. I hear it is one of the deepest lakes in the world. Even creatures as large as themselves could go unseen in a lake as deep as that.
2. There are several other large lakes with accounts of stories like this.
3. Even if our large monsterous friends don't live in the Loch, it is still possible that they live in the ocean. If you believe that the big ass meteor was what took out the dinosaurs, then how would that effect the creatures that lived in the water in a manner that was extreme enough to kill 'em?
As for your second portion.
a.) We JUST got photos of our first Giant Squid.
b.) Nessie has more pictures, tales, and video tapes to back it up then the Giant Squid ever did.
c.) Let's say you lived back in the whaling times. Some druken whaler and his undereducated crew says a whale just vommited a tentacle 20 feet long that weighed 100 pounds and came from the Mighty Kraken himself. Do you believe him anymore then the people who claim to have seen Nessie?
Do you believe in any of them?
I belive they all have some truth to them, but that truth has been told so many times it got screwed up really badly.
For instance, the loch ness monster, someone one day may have seen a very big 'monster' fish and told a guy about it. That guy misunderstand and told another guy. Then this guy, messed up the story a little to....
Keep going in that pattern and after a few years you have a giant monster named nessy.
So I belive the myths had once apon a time some truth to them, but now kinda well ya, just myths.
crazy_cracka
08-16-2006, 05:48 PM
no such thing its all a pack of lies!!!
Vagrant
08-16-2006, 06:10 PM
a.) We JUST got photos of our first Giant Squid.
And? It's hard to shoot photos underwater.
b.) Nessie has more pictures, tales, and video tapes to back it up then the Giant Squid ever did.
All of them have about as much repute as the evidence of Big Foot. The pictures/video tapes are blurred and shaky. The photos of the Giant Squid are clear and well shot, and from reputable sources.
c.) Let's say you lived back in the whaling times. Some druken whaler and his undereducated crew says a whale just vommited a tentacle 20 feet long that weighed 100 pounds and came from the Mighty Kraken himself. Do you believe him anymore then the people who claim to have seen Nessie?
The bolded parts are your misguiding spin. ;)
The higher-ranks on the ship were well-educated men, and were rarely drunk. Drunkenness was rarely allowed on the high seas, as it could cause severe problems.
But besides that, there were hundreds of whaling ships that reported sperm whales vomiting giant tentacles and parts of squid. The tales of Kraken came from these vomited giant squid body parts. It was well identified that the food of sperm whale were squid and octopi, and with the appearance of giant squid arms in the whale's vomit, it wasn't a far extrapolation to figure out that "Hey, these sperm whale are eating GIANT squid!"
As said before, the hundreds of whaling ships have more repute than single persons.
Have you not heard of the large cave that exists in Loch Ness?
Where is the cave's position in the lake?
Giant Squid does exist. We known that for years. Dead ones have washed up on beaches. We have recently only photographed a live one. Look it up. I can bet my next paycheck on it.
On September 30, 2004, researchers from the National Science Museum of Japan and the Ogasawara Whale Watching Association took the first images of live giant squid in their natural habitat. The photos were released a year later.
Big foot is almost impossible. Big Foot - land. Almost all of land on Earth has been explored by humans. And the places where its said to be seen arn't completely unexplorable. How could we not have found Big Foot?
Loch Ness - Very probable but also almost impossible at the same time. I have watched numerous showes and documentaries on it. Loch Ness Lake is one of the deepest and darkest lakes in the world. And cold. And highly unlikely to be possible to explore the bottom. And there is also things that prove the monster wrong - like how logs that have been trapped under the water and could suddenly explode to the top and look like a monster. But then again, people swear by seeing it. But I feel it unlikely to have something of that nature go unseen by all the expeditions and explorations of the lake.
Done.
Doug05257
08-16-2006, 06:58 PM
I have yet to see anyone disprove the Abominable Snowman.
He exists, truly he does!
Lol, I hope you forgot how to make text blue.
gardevoirking
08-16-2006, 07:12 PM
Have you not heard of the large cave that exists in Loch Ness? That cave could very possibly link to the ocean, and Nessie and her cousins might just go to Loch Ness to mate or something.
1. Loch Ness is huge. I hear it is one of the deepest lakes in the world. Even creatures as large as themselves could go unseen in a lake as deep as that.
a.) We JUST got photos of our first Giant Squid.
b.) Nessie has more pictures, tales, and video tapes to back it up then the Giant Squid ever did.
1. thats what I have been saying forever! I know nessie exists and it probably has access to almost every large body of water.It probably just doesn't show in other places because it doesn't wasnt to create panic amongst us humans. Anything can make us panic
2.We got our first photo of a LIVE giant squid. people have been seeing dead ones on beaches for YEARS!
3. you know that realy famous video? if you are refering to that uhm it was faked with a floating toy and a peice of wood. easy.
I don't beleive in big foot either. oh yeah and who cares about giant swquid? they aren't even the biggest squid yet!(there is a larger species only known to be found near england.)oh and when I started this post there was only one post on the third page.I think
Aeroglyphix
08-16-2006, 08:16 PM
I have yet to see anyone disprove the Abominable Snowman.
He exists, truly he does!He's you favorite or something?
Off Topic: Yay I actually made a good thread.
Vagrant
08-16-2006, 09:05 PM
Let's bring a few other common cryptids into the argument:
Yeti/Abominable Snowman
Chupacabra
Wendigo
The Kraken
Mermen
Don't forget the rarely-seen Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Doug05257
08-16-2006, 09:29 PM
He's you favorite or something?
Mmmhmm. And he makes excellent tartar sauce.
Liniar
08-16-2006, 09:50 PM
Anyways I know the lochness monster but can somebody tell me about it?
Mafiaboy20
08-16-2006, 10:06 PM
Anyways I know the lochness monster but can somebody tell me about it?
Ok.
Once upon a time, some dude with a camera took close up pitchures of his bath tub dinosaurs and posted it in the paper, and it just so happened that many near sighted people saw it and happened to have a low IQ and belived. And the man lived happily ever after.
The End.
Liniar
08-16-2006, 10:28 PM
That's weird. Also more inforation please?
Mafiaboy20
08-16-2006, 10:36 PM
That's weird. Also more inforation please?
WELL, my story has a beggining, a middle and an end. right after a cliff hanger.
zafarat
08-17-2006, 12:13 AM
Don't forget the rarely-seen Flying Spaghetti Monster.Ramen, brother. >.>
Sperry
08-17-2006, 08:03 AM
In the defense of the Loch Ness story, the waters of the Loch in question are so vast (a surface area of 14000 acres, quite large) that, should any creature exist in its waters, it is highly inprobable that one would find it, particularly considering natural light (from the sun) never penetrates more than a few feet into the murky waters (making underwater filming extremely difficult - regardless of whether or not there's anything down there).
Of course, it is believed that the loch itself was carved out by the most recent ice age, making a creature's presence in those waters before then impossible (as such waters did not exist). So, if the 'monster' of Loch Ness does or did exist, it has only been there for a minute portion of the history of the proposed species (some relative of the plesiosaur and pliosaur from roughly 70 million years prior).
As for the others:
Big Foot: Possible, I suppose; considering the extreme amount of territory one would have to have constant awareness over to sight it (man has not been to every corner of the earth during modern times, nor is it known whether or not man has walked everywhere, particularly considering air cartography of areas like Canada). And, of course, there are those people in various places of the United States who live in the hills (a extremely archaic form of Amish-like beliefs mixed with generally poor educational and economic standars); so that may be a source of some of the hoohah.
Yeti/Abominable Snowman: Being a 'cousin' of 'Big foot', the yeti's existance seems to depend on that.
Chupacabra: I've only seen one documentary on this, so I don't have enough knowledge of the subject to debate the existance of this peculiar beast.
Wendigo: Never heard of it; or at least cannot recall it.
The Kraken / Mermen: I've never heard of any serious modern studies toward these very old tales, so I won't bother with validity.
flipthemaster
08-17-2006, 08:45 AM
I think big foot could have orignialy just been large a bear, then people started making frauds of it. I realy don't know about the loch ness monster but most likly thats fake too.
gardevoirking
08-17-2006, 09:14 AM
As for the Kraken, I beileive that the Kraken itself is fake but, it is probably just one man's siting of a giant sguid or its larger cousin, in which I can not name at the time being.as for the mermen it is just one man who saw a sea manatee or poirpouse.(really the tv actually said that old time sailors mistook those things for mermen and mermaids.)
Ed1 Teh Awsome
08-17-2006, 10:42 AM
I think big foot is real, and is a small population of a large mammal not yet discovered by scientists. As for the abominable snowman, i saw its tibetian monks wearing white fur coats. Loch ness monster is not real and just a toy subamarine.
Aeroglyphix
08-17-2006, 11:17 AM
The legend of el chupacabra began in about 1992, when Puerto Rican newspapers El Vocero and El Nuevo Dia began reporting the killings of many different types of animals, such as birds, horses, and as its name implies, goats. However, it is predated by El Vampiro de Moca (The Vampire of Moca), a creature blamed for similar killings that occurred in the small town of Moca in the 1970s. While at first it was suspected that the killings were done randomly by some members of a Satanic cult, eventually these killings spread around the island, and many farms reported loss of animal life. The killings had one pattern in common: Each of the animals found dead had two punctured holes around its neck.
I dont think a bat would do that so I think the chupacabra is real.
A Candy Wrapper
08-17-2006, 01:09 PM
Its been proven that there isnt a lockness monster. They did a search through the entire lake using sonar(or something like that idk) and nothing showed up.
sorry if someone posted something like this already
SalsatheGeek
08-17-2006, 01:44 PM
Its been proven that there isnt a lockness monster. They did a search through the entire lake using sonar(or something like that idk) and nothing showed up.
sorry if someone posted something like this already
The first time they tried, they got a massive object on the sonar. But when they searched again, it was gone. My opinion is that Nessie has died. The last sighting was made in 2003. The largest gap between sightings was only a year. When I get the chance, I'm going to buy flowers and toss them is the loch........
Ok, maybe I was too emotional..........
Liniar
08-17-2006, 01:46 PM
Well any Wikepedia articles?
SalsatheGeek
08-17-2006, 01:46 PM
Well any Wikepedia articles?
We're all too lazy..................
Aeroglyphix
08-17-2006, 01:48 PM
Theres this one on the Loch Ness Monster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Ness_Monster
Kevim
08-17-2006, 02:09 PM
Here is my quick rundown on all of the cryptids talked about/mentiones.
Nessie/Nessie-like creatures - Possible. In fact, I would even say highly possible. A pliosaur/plesiosaurs or any other sea dinosaur could very possibly live throughout the mass extininction and still be alive to this day in our oceans. Now, I'm not saying that the Nessie herself is real, but even then, Loch Ness might be some kind of mating place for her species.
Bigfoot - Possible. I believe the last human "civilization" was found some time in the last 50 years. Though, even through the powers of Wikipedia, I can't find proof of that. So why couldn't a mostly solitary big ass gorrilla be out in the wild somewhere?
Chupacabra - No way in hell.
Wendigo - See Bigfoot. (For those of you who don't know what a Wendigo is, it is basically a more beast-like Yeti.
Kraken - Completely possible. In fact, there is already proof that the Kraken exists. It is called the Giant Squid.
Aeroglyphix
08-17-2006, 02:17 PM
Here is my quick rundown on all of the cryptids talked about/mentiones.
Nessie/Nessie-like creatures - Possible. In fact, I would even say highly possible. A pliosaur/plesiosaurs or any other sea dinosaur could very possibly live throughout the mass extininction and still be alive to this day in our oceans. Now, I'm not saying that the Nessie herself is real, but even then, Loch Ness might be some kind of mating place for her species.
Bigfoot - Possible. I believe the last human "civilization" was found some time in the last 50 years. Though, even through the powers of Wikipedia, I can't find proof of that. So why couldn't a mostly solitary big ass gorrilla be out in the wild somewhere?
Chupacabra - No way in hell.
Wendigo - See Bigfoot. (For those of you who don't know what a Wendigo is, it is basically a more beast-like Yeti.
Kraken - Completely possible. In fact, there is already proof that the Kraken exists. It is called the Giant Squid.I understand by why do you think it wouldnt exist?
minger
08-17-2006, 02:32 PM
Well about bigfoot, one time I found this track in my playground at school which was large and it could't be a bear as I don't live near them anyways (it's real) and I've seen a cropsicle in the same place but more than 1 time
Crop circles are a hoax beyond the slightest doubt. A man actually confessed that he and his friend, in a drunken stupor, went out and flattened the corn in the fields with a yardstick and a rope tied in the end. Since then it became something of an art form. People say the base of the stalks burst thanks to microwaves but it was just where the men snapped them. If it was microwaves, they would have found delicious popcorn. Mm-mmm
Vagrant
08-17-2006, 03:08 PM
Crop circles are a hoax beyond the slightest doubt.
Not all crop circles are hoaxes. Many have been found where the plants have not been snapped at all -- but bent horizontally -- which is almost impossible to do.
Nessie/Nessie-like creatures - Possible. In fact, I would even say highly possible. A pliosaur/plesiosaurs or any other sea dinosaur could very possibly live throughout the mass extininction and still be alive to this day in our oceans. Now, I'm not saying that the Nessie herself is real, but even then, Loch Ness might be some kind of mating place for her species.
Still doesn't explain how a species could feed in a region where mid-level creatures on the food chain are extremely low, too low to support larger life forms.
Bigfoot - Possible. I believe the last human "civilization" was found some time in the last 50 years. Though, even through the powers of Wikipedia, I can't find proof of that. So why couldn't a mostly solitary big ass gorrilla be out in the wild somewhere?
Once again -- in order for a species to survive, it must breed. There has to be more than one bigfoot. And primates generally don't wander past their territory unless there is a need to.
Chupacabra - No way in hell.
Wait, so everything else is plausible, but a goat-eating animal that feeds at night? Carnivorous animals capable of eating goats are quite common in South America.
Sperry
08-17-2006, 03:17 PM
Still doesn't explain how a species could feed in a region where mid-level creatures on the food chain are extremely low, too low to support larger life forms.The populations of animals such as eels in that waterbody are not known with sufficient accuracy. Though there does not appear to be enough of a food source in the Loch, that does not necessarily mean there is not. Since long-term missions to the lower depths of the Loch are not anywhere near common, finding even rough estimates of populations of creatures the size of eels (not an extremely large creature) at that depth is difficult at best. Besides, if such a theory were correct (that the area was simply a breeding ground), then it is reasonable to assume that the area would not have any need for excessive amounts of food, seeing as a 'breeding ground' would have access to a much larger area (which has not been ruled out).
spiffyguy
08-17-2006, 06:02 PM
I don't belive in all that monster and cretures crap, But I do know ghosts are real.(99.999%) sure
Endless
08-17-2006, 06:25 PM
I think that aboidamable snowmen are a kind of artic ape. As for ghosts... meh
DarkReality
08-17-2006, 10:15 PM
Interesting, I don't think I've ever heard of an aboidamable snowman before. Maybe you meant the abominabable snowman? Or the amobibladle snowman?
Mafiaboy20
08-17-2006, 10:55 PM
Interesting, I don't think I've ever heard of an aboidamable snowman before. Maybe you meant the abominabable snowman? Or the amobibladle snowman?
Ok Mr.Spellcheck, I think you'll be sure he'll be waiting in the dark until you make your big spelling error.
theryman
08-18-2006, 12:39 AM
I may not beleive in all those guys, but I do beleive in the Loveland Frog Monster! Oohoohohhohoho!
http://www.americanmonsters.com/bin/frogman.gif
Because we all know that a giant exothermic animal can survive eons from the ages of dinosaurs (And Ice Age!) and evade all the cameras and surveillance equipment of man at the same time. So much for that, Loch Ness monster.
*Cough*Coelecanth*Cough*
Anyways, so much of northwest America and Southwest canada is unexplored, it is highly likely that a highly developed primate may live there.
Other than humans, I mean.
And what about Champ?
DarkReality
08-18-2006, 12:50 AM
Ok Mr.Spellcheck, I think you'll be sure he'll be waiting in the dark until you make your big spelling error.
Christ, take a joke.
Vagrant
08-18-2006, 01:47 AM
Ok Mr.Spellcheck, I think you'll be sure he'll be waiting in the dark until you make your big spelling error.
XD
"Aboimadable" =/= "Abominable"
The adjective "abominable" comes from the noun "abomination." That's all you need to remember to spell it correctly.
Ijiero
08-18-2006, 07:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vag teh fag
Because we all know that a giant exothermic animal can survive eons from the ages of dinosaurs (And Ice Age!) and evade all the cameras and surveillance equipment of man at the same time. So much for that, Loch Ness monster.
*Cough*Coelecanth*Cough*
Go you for claiming the monster of loch ness can exist because one single fish has done it. The Coelacanth has obsolutely nothing in common with Nessie and should not be treated in anyway similar to it. Coelacanth are completely different to a plesiosaurus or any creature that could possibly be the monster of loch ness. Stating that the Coelecanth survived proves nothing.
Let me also state that for any kind of species to survive there have to be 500 of its kind as a minimum. If there were 500 plesiosaurus' in Loch Ness, we'd know about them, seriously.
Anyways, so much of northwest America and Southwest canada is unexplored, it is highly likely that a highly developed primate may live there.
Other than humans, I mean.
Stop with Bigfoot already, IT DOES NOT EXIST. Seriously.
Next to that, a lot of people here have posted that
a- the Yeti is the same as Bigfoot and thus also does not exist.
b- Bigfoot exists but the Yeti does not
c- they don't know
Keep in mind that the existance of the Yeti is PLAUSIBLE. Unexplored America is not big enough for a creature like Bigfoot to live in, SIBERIA is. It's half a continent! It is plausible that once creatures lived there when the continent was still in another place on the globe. (continental drift) If creatures lived in the Siberia of then, which was subtropical so many eons ago, and the continent slowly (a process spanning over millions of years) became colder due to the climate change caused by the continental drift, then it is plausible that creatures like the Yeti came into existance!
I say again: the Yeti is PLAUSIBLE, Bigfoot is not. Creatures evolve to suit their environment. It does not get -30 degrees Celsius where Bigfoot has been sighted, it would not need the fur. Now, I know you're gonna tell me: bears have fur and live right along a little to the left north of where Bigfoot has been sighted. Keep in mind that grizzly bears live everywhere (by that I mean, in every kind of climate) and thus evolved so they can live everywhere, including very cold places like the arctic.
And what about Champ?
Same story as Loch Ness.
Next to that, I want to hear what people think of the Mokèlé-mbèmbé and (my favourite) the Thunderbird.
Sperry
08-18-2006, 08:09 AM
Go you for claiming the monster of loch ness can exist because one single fish has done it. The Coelacanth has obsolutely nothing in common with Nessie and should not be treated in anyway similar to it. Coelacanth are completely different to a plesiosaurus or any creature that could possibly be the monster of loch ness. Stating that the Coelecanth survived proves nothing.
Let me also state that for any kind of species to survive there have to be 500 of its kind as a minimum. If there were 500 plesiosaurus' in Loch Ness, we'd know about them, seriously.Yes; if 500 of this creature lived in that area constantly it is almost certain that we would be aware of them (they would all fit, considering the size of the Loch, but it's quite likely we'd see them more often if such were the case). Of course, if the theory that Loch Ness is connected to the other bodies of water along the Great Glen, particularly to Inverness (which is directly and openly linked to the ocean); then seeing the entirety of their population in that one particular spot is far less likely. Considering the nature of the Loch (its vast yet contained size, the complete inability for creatures, such as humans, to penetrate its depths, and thus its ample 'hiding space' would; theoretically, serve to be an excellent 'mating grounds' or the like - since it would provide a large, safe area for the species' young to grow to a sze capable of surviving in the "real world".Stop with Bigfoot already, IT DOES NOT EXIST. Seriously.
Next to that, a lot of people here have posted that
a- the Yeti is the same as Bigfoot and thus also does not exist.
b- Bigfoot exists but the Yeti does not
c- they don't knowSo, so long as someone says it does not exist, it mustn't? Of course people 'don't know'. The audience is a band of post-happy teenagers who have probably never had the opportunity to see a moose, let alone 'big foot'. You're not discussing the matter with biologists and well-travelled people - far from it, in fact. To deny the existance of a particular creature simply because no one you are speaking to has ever seen it does not mean it does not exist (-Gestures to countless incidents-).
Keep in mind that the existance of the Yeti is PLAUSIBLE. Unexplored America is not big enough for a creature like Bigfoot to live in, SIBERIA is. It's half a continent! It is plausible that once creatures lived there when the continent was still in another place on the globe. (continental drift) If creatures lived in the Siberia of then, which was subtropical so many eons ago, and the continent slowly (a process spanning over millions of years) became colder due to the climate change caused by the continental drift, then it is plausible that creatures like the Yeti came into existance!Continental shift is not the only source of climactic alterations. Throughout earth's history, the climate has been known to change in an area surprisingly quickly. Yes, such changes do take time - it won't be an ice cube one day and Hawaii the next; but in the context of the evolutionary process, many of the changes have been too swift for many species (this also serving as one of about a dozen plausible mass-extinction theories for various occurances throughout the planet's history). Why is it that a creature who has adapted to a strong (though arguably gradual) climate shift has survived plausible; whereas that a creature who has not had to adapt to such a constant change (not mentioning the various ice ages, which obviously were rather dramatic incidents) in climate has survived is impossible? If anything that argument makes it more likely for the 'big foot' to have survived, as it did not run the risk of not surviving a shifting climate.I say again: the Yeti is PLAUSIBLE, Bigfoot is not. Creatures evolve to suit their environment. It does not get -30 degrees Celsius where Bigfoot has been sighted, it would not need the fur. Now, I know you're gonna tell me: bears have fur and live right along a little to the left north of where Bigfoot has been sighted. Keep in mind that grizzly bears live everywhere (by that I mean, in every kind of climate) and thus evolved so they can live everywhere, including very cold places like the arctic.Fur does not neceaarily (and in most cases does not) indicate that a creature lives in an inherantly cold climate. Cats and dogs generally live in climates that humans can survive in, yet they obviously have fur (particularly the Persian cat; which is native to a very non-arctic climate). In pre-homo sapien times, the ancestry of humans had 'fur' (beyond that of the top of one's head and so on), yet much of the population did not live in arctic climates. Bears, as you mentioned, have fur, yet many of their species obviously do not use it for -constant- warmth. Even apes, many of which who have likely never seen snow, have varying ranges of fur. The presence of fur on a creature does not, in any way, give a direct description of their climate. In the summer, cats use their fur to stay cool. Dogs are, or up until very recently in history have been, constantly out in wet or cold or otherwise not entirely pleasant conditions - giving a need for fur so that, upon the arrival of its need, they have it. Modern humans must take an umbrella or cloth with them - bears need not do this. Fur dries easily, whereas simply exposed skin, when dried, can become sticky or uncomfortable. Not to mention the protective benefits of that extra layer against various other obstacles in nature. With such comparisons in obviously existing creatures (even, yes, the mythical kitty); why do you so easily dismiss big foot's existance because he's a fuzzy bloke?
You also mentioned the lack of exploration in places like Siberia. You may not be aware, but at least half of North America (particularly the majority of Canada) was not explored on foot by post-renaissance man. Considering that such an extremely large area has not been more than briefly cartographed by an overhead plane, it is quite likely that a creature which looks like every other animal down in the brush would not be identified by humanity.
Kevim
08-18-2006, 02:06 PM
Once again -- in order for a species to survive, it must breed. There has to be more than one bigfoot. And primates generally don't wander past their territory unless there is a need to.
Well duh there has to be more than one bigfoot. When I said solitary I meant an animal that lives alone, not just one creature in the entire world.
Wait, so everything else is plausible, but a goat-eating animal that feeds at night? Carnivorous animals capable of eating goats are quite common in South America.
You left out some of the finer details buddy. Ever heard a description of the mighty Chupacabre? Do you really even know what it is?
Let me just tell you what we are working with here. (Sources being a show on the National Geographic Channel called Is it real? and Wikipedia.org.)
A hairless 4 foot tall bipedal creature with the eyes of a fly that sucks blood from it's forked tounge. This animal, does not have normal skin as us, it has SCALY GREENISH/GRAYISH SKIN with sharp spines/quills running down it's back. This creature doesn't walk the way a normal creature would though. No. It ****ing HOPS like a kangaroo to get to it's destination. This animal has large fangs and can leave a stench behind similar to that of a dog. It is also said that when the beast screeches, it's eyes glow red and give witnesses nauseia.
And here is the mother ****ing kicker. The most common thing theory of where the creature came from. Ready for it? They are supposedbly PETS OF ALIEN VISITORS. Which wandered off from their masters while on Earth.
Do I need to clarify why the legends of the Chupacabre are completely false, or can you handle that one all by yourself?
theryman
08-18-2006, 02:11 PM
In the episode "Game Slave 2" of Invader Zim, Gaz told Dib that there was a chupacabra in the parking garage of the mall to get rid of him, to which Dib replied, "But there isn't a goat to feed on for miles."
"We cannot know for sure whether the Chupacapra is an outer-space alien or some kind of feral dog-lizard hybrid. All we can know is that it should strike terror into the hearts of every man, woman, and child in Mexico. This is the only sensible response."
Aeroglyphix
08-18-2006, 02:14 PM
The chupacabra ("goat sucker") is an animal said to be unknown to science and systemically killing animals in places like Puerto Rico, Miami, Nicaragua, Chile, and Mexico. The creature's name originated with the discovery of some dead goats in Puerto Rico with puncture wounds in their necks and their blood allegedly drained. According to UFO Magazine (March/April 1996) there have been more than 2,000 reported cases of animal mutilations in Puerto Rico attributed to the chupacabra.
I would understand the mutation thing.
Like other creatures in the cryptozoologist's (http://skepdic.com/crypto.html) barnyard, the chupacabra has been variously described. Some witnesses have seen a small half-alien, half-dinosaur tailless vampire with quills running down its back; others have seen a panther like creature with a long snake-like tongue; still others have seen a hopping animal that leaves a trail of sulfuric stench. Some think it may be a type of dinosaur heretofore unknown. Some are convinced that the wounds on animals whose deaths have been attributed to the chupacabra indicate an alien presence. However, they do not attribute the "mutilations" to the aliens themselves, but to one of their pets or experiments gone awry. Such creatures are known as Anomalous Biological Entities [ABEs] in UFO circles. Thats a really long description
Vagrant
08-18-2006, 04:02 PM
When I said solitary I meant an animal that lives alone, not just one creature in the entire world.
Coyotes are solitary animals. So are mountain lions. But there's undeniable evidence for them.
Do I need to clarify why the legends of the Chupacabre are completely false, or can you handle that one all by yourself?
Because it's a legend, there's several variations of the legend. Your description is not necessarily the only one.
Kevim
08-18-2006, 04:15 PM
Coyotes are solitary animals. So are mountain lions. But there's undeniable evidence for them.
So? We are constantly discovering new species of animals every day. And certainly one as rare and smart (Just geussing here) as Bigfoot could keep away from human eye. Do you really think we have discovered each and every mammal in the world yet?
Because it's a legend, there's several variations of the legend. Your description is not necessarily the only one.
That is the most popular one. I can give you two other of the not-as-well-known/said descriptions, but they are just as unbelievable.
The_Stick
08-18-2006, 06:20 PM
It would be so cool if they were real...but no, i dont believe
Mafiaboy20
08-18-2006, 06:36 PM
Last statement:
Never under estimate nature, because as soon as you do, you find another animal that survived in an age that killed many other animals much stronger then them (Like the Dodo)
Bigfoot, Nessie and Pokemon can and might exist, because it tecnicaly belongs to Nature, and like I said, you cant underestimate Nature.
Then again, maybe someone probably got too much...err...illegal narcotics.
Sperry
08-18-2006, 10:39 PM
One can "prove" or "disprove" whatever one chooses to through the delivery of the 'evidence'. I could go on a marvelous banter about the impossibility of the desk lamp; this sorcerer's stick that posesses the minds of insects and burns all which it touches. Of course presenting an already arguable myth in such a manner would make it "utterly impossible".
Sheen.deadly.pwner
08-20-2006, 01:43 AM
Well you see, the so called "Big foot", as vagrant the truthful said, is merely a bear walking on hind legs.Then the loch ness monster.. as someone said could not live for over 1 million years and evade every single picture..Then,man.. don't get me started with unicorn's...Get over them, some kid was eating ice cream and decided to prank a horse by putting the cone on the horse's head....
WaterZoma
08-20-2006, 01:54 AM
From what I gathered is that Big Foot is a joke. A joke made by a man many years ago. After his death his family revealed it was a joke and explained how he did it.
basker76
08-20-2006, 04:39 AM
Well you see, the so called "Big foot", as vagrant the truthful said, is merely a bear walking on hind legs.Then the loch ness monster.. as someone said could not live for over 1 million years and evade every single picture..Then,man.. don't get me started with unicorn's...Get over them, some kid was eating ice cream and decided to prank a horse by putting the cone on the horse's head....
Why would a bear have human like feet?
Mafiaboy20
08-20-2006, 11:24 AM
Why would a bear have human like feet?
Let this thread die.
zecantu
08-20-2006, 11:33 AM
Big Foot: http://afm.infinit.net/chro/inex/bigfoot.jpg
He exists, case closed.
Loch Ness Monster: http://planetnothing.com/europe/whatisit.jpg
Exists, case closed.
Kraken: http://www.linix.ws/Cards/Perfect/Fiend-Kraken.jpg
Obviously exists, case closed.
Double Hawk: Someone already proved it.
Abominable(SP?) Snowman: http://www.jezetspa.com/snowman.jpg
Case closed.
Dragons: http://www.tattoosbysage.com/blackandgray/dragon2.jpg
Another one that exists. Case closed.
Minotaur: http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/portal/Minotaur_Warrior.jpg
Proved, again.
I have proven that mythical creatures exist.
stickymo
08-20-2006, 11:39 AM
I believe in God. Anyway i know its not mythical.
zecantu
08-20-2006, 11:41 AM
There is no proof god exists.
Mafiaboy20
08-20-2006, 11:43 AM
There is no proof god exists.
Yes, their is, but please lets no get this out of hand...
zecantu
08-20-2006, 11:45 AM
Show me some proof.
SOME GOOD PROOF.
stickymo
08-20-2006, 12:11 PM
I think we are gona discover the mysteries of the universe :D
demonsnake8
08-20-2006, 12:17 PM
i believe in my computer
Aeroglyphix
08-20-2006, 01:41 PM
There is no proof god exists.Exactly what I've been saying. >_>
zecantu
08-20-2006, 02:02 PM
http://www.strangepersons.com/images/content/5020.jpg
OMG! A HAWT WOMAN AND NESSY IN ONE PICTURE! THE PERFECT COMBO!
This proved Nessy exists.
SalsatheGeek
08-21-2006, 03:54 PM
I only believe that when we truly get to an afterlife, you get the knowledge of the world. That will be the only time to know if these creatures exist.
Aeroglyphix
08-21-2006, 03:55 PM
Knowing everything is still impossible. >_>
SalsatheGeek
08-21-2006, 03:55 PM
I edited it..........
brothad
08-21-2006, 07:49 PM
Congratulations, you took a obvious joke seriously. =S
Demetri Martin FTW
lol just about to say that, anyways, i dont know if this counts, but i believe in aliens.
Roadkill
08-22-2006, 06:21 AM
Rofl.
Because we all know that a giant exothermic animal can survive eons from the ages of dinosaurs (And Ice Age!) and evade all the cameras and surveillance equipment of man at the same time. So much for that, Loch Ness monster.
did you ever hear of a shark or ####roach same thing
Liniar
08-22-2006, 11:03 AM
Well I think I believe that kraken exist and the great white shark still (but a larger version Austrailians say 100-200 feet)
Jimbimanim II
08-22-2006, 11:19 AM
whats kraken?
Liniar
08-22-2006, 12:24 PM
Monster giant squid. I also believe in The Flying Dutchman (a legend of a ship that is sailing forever and cursed)
Roadkill
08-22-2006, 12:37 PM
I also bileve in those two I also bileve in... the were wolf
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