Time Cube Theory

[Screech]

The time cube theory is a radical anti-religious scientific theory, believed to prove God wrong as well as prove our way of viewing time wrong (and ect.). Some people believe that this is correct, other believe that some of it is dead on, but others is just radicalism.



Quoting Wikipedia, heres the general ideas.

General claims

[There are] 4 simultaneous 24 hour days within a single rotation of Earth
Humans are Cubic forms that rotate a 4 corner face lifetime.
Creation has 2 sex poles and 4 corner races of humans.
All the universe exist[s] as opposite values.
Physics Claims

Earth [is] 2 opposite hemispheres rotating in opposite directions.
Time is Cubic and not linear.
Earth [is] composed of 4 Worlds.
Earth is not an entity.
Planets [are] created via opposite rotating poles.
Mathematical claims

−1 × −1 = +1 is stupid and evil.
3.20 [is] the perfect value of π (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi).
[Gene Ray has] squared the circle. (see Squaring the circle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaring_the_circle))
4 is the supreme number of the universe.
Education claims

Teachers are hired evil word pedants who enslave childish minds to a lifetime of stupidity.
Educators are the primary cause of evil mathematics.
Physicists [are] forbidden to acknowledge Time Cube.
Schools are actually churches.
Singularity educators are unfit to even live.
Your own people will kill you to prevent this 'Forbidden Truth Cube' from ever being known.
Educators teach assumed math
Racial claims

Sunup represents Indian Race; Midday represents White Race; Sundown represents Asian Race; Midnight represents Black Race.
All past Great Civilizations have been destroyed by minorities.
Blacks are enslaving whites - and will soon exact revenge.
Racial integration equals 'Racial Slop'.
Interracial marriage is stupid and evil.
Religious claims

Time Cube disproves God.
Christianity is subservient to the Jews.
[The] worship of Word as God equates to adults eating their children.
The male god singularity and same sex trinity equates denouncing motherhood and supporting a state of queers.
God = Hate of Children.
God is a word masturbation
Wikipedia claims

Gene Ray has stated: "Wikipedia allowing the educated stupid to evaluate the 4 simultaneous 24 hour days within a single rotation of Earth, equates allowing atheist to proof-read the bible."
Dr. Gene Ray offers Wikipedia $10,000.00 to disprove math that 1 rotation of 4 Earth quadrants within the 4 quarter Harmonic Time Cube does create 4 simultaneous 24 hour days.



The time cube theory brings upon some issues:



-It is illegal for teachers (science teachers mostly) to teach the Time Cube Theory or discuss it. Should any scientific theories be censored by the educational system? (This can be referred and compared to the theory of evolution.)



-Does radicalism help or destroy the promotion of theories and ideas? Would a man screaming an idea on a street corner cause you to listen to him or ignore him? Would an idea that does not challenge you and cause you to react still get attention?



-At what way should we regard a persons beliefs? What demotes a persons beliefs to the stage where we regard the person as a “crack”?



-Could society who is used to a certain way of living or seeing the world switch over to a completely different way of thinking? Even if the theory was correct, is it possible in practice?



Anyways, what do you personally think about all this?

I think that a lot of it is radical bull. A lot of the things they say about races, religion, educators and (This is my favorite) Wikipedia, cannot be proven or disproved- it is individual opinion. The only stuff that has any ground is claims in physics and math.



Radicalism brought him a lot of attention, but it also makes him look like a crazy man. Anyone who is set in their beliefs in religion will automatically be offended and not look twice at what this man has to say.

I do believe that educators should discus this theory, but from a neutral view. Students have a right to hear all views of a situation, not just the socially correct standpoint. Students should determine what they themselves is crazy or legit- not just think what the educators believe.



Society could not switch over completely to this at all. We are too accustomed to a way of living. Too many people would fight a switch over. Unless a dictator came in and forced it down our throats, we will never change.



So what do you think?

And, here’s some links:



www.timecube.com (http://www.timecube.com/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube)

[c00lryguy]

I'm not sure I quite understand. Still gotta lot of reading to do...seen this before though, just passed by it though. *continues reading*

[fruitycaker1]

I do believe that educators should discus this theory, but from a neutral view.Agreed.

I do think that this theory is, for lack of a better word, retarded. Teachers are hired evil word pedants who enslave childish minds to a lifetime of stupidity.
Teachers enslave students to a lifetime of stupidity? Who the hell came up with this. Sounds like some rebellious teenager thought this up just because he was getting bad grades or something similar.
3.20 [is] the perfect value of π.
... No comment. I mean, sure, I can't disprove it exactly, but, in school, we measured the diameter of a circle and related it to the circumference, and came out with about 3.13-3.15. Sure, you could say that the schools are evil, but then you're just making stuff up to make it sound like you are true.
[Gene Ray has] squared the circle.
Sounds like a Chuck Norris joke.


Overall, I think this theory is just a load of crap. It reminds me a lot of Scientology, which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[Apocalypse285]

I really don't feel like this over-my-head intelligent kind of reading right now, but from the little bit I did read, I think it's some weird bull****.

[JoeyG]

This looks like new-age bull####.

I would post a scientific analysis, but the theory appears to say "scientists are liars". It looks to be about as plausible as my friend Jacob's theory that the world was created in its current state when he was born.

[Karl]

Doesn't sound very reputable. Do they actually have any evidence, or is this all completely theory?

[The Brown Cow]

Pretty stupid, if you ask me. Different for the sake of being different. Who are they trying to impress?

[Vagrant]

I'm not even sure I entirely understand what point they're getting at. What are they trying to say?

[Apocalypse285]

After reading fruitycaker's post, I adopt his opinion. This is retarded. Way to sum it up FC1.

[Popolop]

What are they trying to say?

I think that god dosn't excist.

This looks like total bull####. The claims are just random, and overall, it dosn't make sence.

[gentoro]

Physics Claims

Earth [is] 2 opposite hemispheres rotating in opposite directions.
Time is Cubic and not linear.
Earth [is] composed of 4 Worlds.
Earth is not an entity.
Planets [are] created via opposite rotating poles

OMG! Thats pure Bull****!!

[ehntoo]

Fascinating.

I think of it as a bunch of Flat Earth Society members who just realized no one was listening to them and wondered if the other extreme would work better.

My thoughts on it? A bunch of bull#### that not even the creators believe. It is, in fact, like Scientology in that it's just a way to gather money.

I do believe that radical theories like this should be explored in schools. Seriously and everything. I think it'd make students realize that there are absolute potheads out there. Perhaps at the end of each unit on a theory like this, they could tie it in to an anti-drug campaign or something.

One thing to mention: The www.timecube.com page author's email? Yeah. It's his home address. 250,000$ researching the theory, and he's using his home earthlink address? What a crock.

If you read the page, his grammar sucks. Horribly. I've been able to do better than that for some five years now.

Also, a couple quotes.
4 Earth Quadrants simultaneously rotate
inside 4 Time Cube Quarters to create 4
- 24 hour days within one Earth rotation.
This simple ignored math indicts you evil.
4 quadrants rotating in 4 quarters? Pardon me, but if I take four and divide it by four, don't I get ONE 24 hour day?

Demand evil educators explain Cubicism,
or allow me to come teach Cube Creation.
Yes, please do come to my school so that I, a 16 year old sophomore, can thoroughly own you.

6 sides constitutes a sextet -- not a Cube.
Teaching that a Cube has '6 sides' with
no top & bottom, induces an evil curse
that pervades all academic institutions.
WTF?

-1 x -1 = +1 is Evil math
You seem to be declaring things evil, and devilish. Does this not imply an organized belief? Wait, aren't you anti-religion? Oh noes! You've just created one! Down with negatives!

Overall, this theory is a load of dingo's kidneys.
http://pics.livejournal.com/rob_t_firefly/pic/000162yz/t3232c
<3 H2G2 illustrations.

[fruitycaker1]

Hey Ehntoo, wanna go create a religion?
<.<
>.>

But seriously, anyone can "prove" that something else is true by saying that something true is false.
Person 1: "1 + 1 = 2"
Person 2: "Nuh uh, teachers just teach you that so that you won't believe the truth."
Person 1: "Wow, you must be right because you just disproved a fact."
Person 2: "I know, follow me."
Person 1: "Ok"

If something is a fact, it's a fact, you can't disprove it to support your own theories.

I want to meet this guy to see what he's like. I'm sure he's high on some kind of drug.

[Apocalypse285]

ehntoo and FC1 officially own this theory. I think it's agreed upon that this is total and complete bull####.

[Screech]

I love things like this, it challenges what people think, it gets people in an uproar- it's wonderful.

A friend of mine tried to talk about this theory with a teacher at school- but the teacher said that if he talked about it, he could lose his job. I do believe that this is the real issue- that it is not being discussed.

Another issue, that Vince brought up when I was discussing this with him, is that Gene Ray suffers from paranoid schizophrenia. Is this a valid claim to dismis his theories? I don't know. I think that we place too much concern in mental health thse days- Mackenzie King talked to his dog and his dead mother about his political decisions and he was also known to consult a crystal ball, yet he is considered to be one of the greatest primeministers of all time. As well, Eistein was believed to be Autistic. Does mental health hold to be a factor?

But if any of you can disprove his theories mathimaticly- do it! He's offering ten thousand dollars to anyone who proves him wrong :)

[fruitycaker1]

-1 x -1 = 1 because double negatives cancel out.

Now where's my 10,000 dollars?

[c00lryguy]

Haha, I've read it all. Something just doesnt feel right. You dont go through everything you've writted and color code it if you dont truely want peeople to see what it says. I think I've seen this before.

[JoeyG]

No, it's eveil! I'll show you why:

a) sqrt (1) * sqrt (1) = 1 by definition
b) sqrt (1) = 1 that's fine, because 1*1=1
c) sqrt (1) = -1 this is EVIL MATH, because 1 * -1 is NOT 1, and so a) becomes a lie.



(Yes, that whole post was a joke. I got it from a sci.crypt crackpot, who I'm pretty sure believed what he was saying.)

[ehntoo]

I love things like this, it challenges what people think, it gets people in an uproar- it's wonderful.

A friend of mine tried to talk about this theory with a teacher at school- but the teacher said that if he talked about it, he could lose his job. I do believe that this is the real issue- that it is not being discussed.

Another issue, that Vince brought up when I was discussing this with him, is that Gene Ray suffers from paranoid schizophrenia. Is this a valid claim to dismis his theories? I don't know. I think that we place too much concern in mental health thse days- Mackenzie King talked to his dog and his dead mother about his political decisions and he was also known to consult a crystal ball, yet he is considered to be one of the greatest primeministers of all time. As well, Eistein was believed to be Autistic. Does mental health hold to be a factor?

But if any of you can disprove his theories mathimaticly- do it! He's offering ten thousand dollars to anyone who proves him wrong :)
It's not any of his theories, it's only the 4 simultaneous 24 hour days.

And I can and will prove this wrong. Tomorrow. I'd do it now, but I don't want to draw up the graphics I'll need to do it easily this late at night. Or early in the morning, if you prefer.

[JoeyG]

To the person who suggested that autism hinders one's ability to think logically:

It does not. If anything it makes you think far too logically; if Einstien was autistic, all the power to him. Autism makes it much more difficult to communicate with others, which can make it seem like you're an idiot. That, combined with the fact that it's difficult to filter out information from your senses (and so you tend to become overwhelmed easily) (depending on the severity of the autism), means that in relatively severe cases it will harm your ability to understand things.

It doesn't make you unable to understand that 4 / 4 is 1. It makes you unable to express that.

Finally, autism is a spectrum disorder, and so it can be said that everyone has it. Some (such as myself) have it more than others.

[Screech]

Oh, I did not mean to imply that autism hinders one's ability to think logically.

My point was more broad- that we tend to look down on people with mental disorders. Meanwhile, some of the greatest people in the last hundred years had mental disabilities. We admire these people now- but if these things were known about these people then, or if they were to exist now open with their disabilitys or problems, would we still respect these people?

I'm sorry if I offended you, I really did not have any intention to.

[ehntoo]

I have now modified my opinion on the subject.

Gene Ray's interview on FreeTalkLive Radio.
http://freetalklive.com/files/generay.mp3

He sounds like socrates on crack.
I do believe he took a philosophical notion which he came up with and tried to prove it mathematically, failing horribly, but hoping noone would notice. I'll still prove it tomorrow.

*edit*
http://www.crystallyn.com/weblogger/2002_01_01_archive_taste.htm
Pretty much confirms what I thought about it originally.

[JoeyG]

Oh, I did not mean to imply that autism hinders one's ability to think logically.

My point was more broad- that we tend to look down on people with mental disorders. Meanwhile, some of the greatest people in the last hundred years had mental disabilities. We admire these people now- but if these things were known about these people then, or if they were to exist now open with their disabilitys or problems, would we still respect these people?

I'm sorry if I offended you, I really did not have any intention to.

Nah, you didn't offend me. Everyone loves Screech! (Seriously, I do, and if you wanna do something sometime, that'd be great).

Your point appears to agree completely with mine, so I'm happy now. (There have been posts by other people, however, which have suggested that mental disorders make you stupid. I wanted to clear those up with something QFTable.).

[ripht|CoC]

After reading fruitycaker's post, I adopt his opinion. This is retarded. Way to sum it up FC1.

Man... Agreeing with the most brightly-colored nearby person is way easier than thinking for yourself.

4 quadrants rotating in 4 quarters? Pardon me, but if I take four and divide it by four, don't I get ONE 24 hour day?

Goddamn you, N2, using your EVIL MATH to try to bring down this wise and honorable man! -spits at you-

[Apocalypse285]

Honestly, ripht, I couldn't have put it any better. Don't think I didn't think for myself, it just didn't sound as good as what FC had said.

[fruitycaker1]

Man... Agreeing with the most brightly-colored nearby person is way easier than thinking for yourself.Did Ripht just call me brightly-colored?

[Sperry]

You are are fruitcake ... your sheer purpose is to be given to someone else so we don't have to eat you. >_>

I'm either terribly stupid or just not reading this correctly. Apart from, well, everything; what in God's name is this guy trying to prove wrong?

[Karl]

No, it's eveil! I'll show you why:

a) sqrt (1) * sqrt (1) = 1 by definition
b) sqrt (1) = 1 that's fine, because 1*1=1
c) sqrt (1) = -1 this is EVIL MATH, because 1 * -1 is NOT 1, and so a) becomes a lie.



(Yes, that whole post was a joke. I got it from a sci.crypt crackpot, who I'm pretty sure believed what he was saying.)A square root of 1 could be either 1 or -1, because 1 * 1 = 1, and -1 * -1 = 1. Saying that the sqrt(1) = -1 is evil, because 1 * -1 =\ 1, doesn't even make sense. Why would you mix the two truths? This guy is trying to confuse those who don't know math very well and get them to just agree because they think he's smarter.

[Popolop]

I'm either terribly stupid or just not reading this correctly. Apart from, well, everything; what in God's name is this guy trying to prove wrong?

That god dosn't excist and that time is cubic.

[denacioust]

What the hell does it mean that time is cubic?

Isnt this a joke? Reading through this I thought it was just taking the piss...I mean come on 'The male god singularity and same sex trinity equates denouncing motherhood and supporting a state of queers.' and 'Schools are actually churches.' I mean where exactly are the basis for ANY of these claims?

[Popolop]

What the hell does it mean that time is cubic?

I'm guessing that it's not like a straight line, and that history repeats itself and that there is more then one path.

Something like that...

[ripht|CoC]

Honestly, ripht, I couldn't have put it any better. Don't think I didn't think for myself, it just didn't sound as good as what FC had said.

I was just making chuckles. :P The wording of your post amused me.

Did Ripht just call me brightly-colored?


d00d, you is reflective and shiny like no other. -steals you and puts you in my nest-

[Chum]

I read the "general claims" part and figured this out.

A bunch of people who have to much time on there hands and are trying some bull#### to get some attenion.

[pong676]

It looks like crap. Utter crap.

[Leperkawn]

Looks to me like someone took a nice, long, look at the world, inverted it, rotated it 172 degrees counter-clockwise, wrapped it in a blanket, sat on it for a few hours, then scanned it and put it online.

[pong676]

Exactly! I agree. It's a silly theory, it isn't science.

[Screech]

Exactly! I agree. It's a silly theory, it isn't science.

Then what IS science?

[pong676]

Then what IS science?

Science can be proven. The Time Cube Theory can't.

[Screech]

Science can be proven.

Prove it :)

[Homer43]

Science can be proven. The Time Cube Theory can't.

Science is just a way of finding things out about the world, theories are a step taken to find out those things.

[Vagrant]

But seriously, anyone can "prove" that something else is true by saying that something true is false.
Person 1: "1 + 1 = 2"
Person 2: "Nuh uh, teachers just teach you that so that you won't believe the truth."
Person 1: "Wow, you must be right because you just disproved a fact."
Person 2: "I know, follow me."
Person 1: "Ok"

If something is a fact, it's a fact, you can't disprove it to support your own theories.

Spin Doctor
Noun

An operative who uses his platform to influence the perception of a person, organization, or event. Like a damage-control PR person.

Most often this is in the political context, usually conservative, with the spin doctor masquerading as a journalist or "expert in the field" to lend credibility to what's actually just a PR line cooked up by the right-wing.

IE: After "Deep Throat" finally revealed himself as W. Mark Felt in May, 2005, a parade of spin doctors, old Nixon cronies and convicted Watergate felons appeared in the media, trying to tarnish Felt in any way they could, to distract from and lessen in the public's mind the enormity of the crimes they'd committed 30 years ago.

Sometimes, the way you present facts makes the whole difference. The facts can all be there, or some can be conveniently missing. If you can arrange them correctly, you can make somebody believe anything.

Science can be proven. The Time Cube Theory can't.

Science deals only with the universe it sees. This entire universe could literally be the Matrix -- and if we were to awake one day from the Matrix, then nothing that science learned in this world would be correct. That is one of the basic tenets of science.

However, science does not deal with philosophy. Only if philosophy comes knocking about with reality does science get involved.





And about the mental illnesses thing. Mental illnesses are comparable to evolutionary mutations. Most mutations are harmful, but the occasional mutation (like, one in a million), can be beneficial. Mental illnesses can provide a different viewpoint that others would not otherwise achieve. This new viewpoint is much like a randomly changed IQ.

[JoeyG]

A square root of 1 could be either 1 or -1, because 1 * 1 = 1, and -1 * -1 = 1. Saying that the sqrt(1) = -1 is evil, because 1 * -1 =\ 1, doesn't even make sense. Why would you mix the two truths? This guy is trying to confuse those who don't know math very well and get them to just agree because they think he's smarter.

Why would I mix truths? To find the ultimate truth, of course! It is the same as if you mixed all the colors of the rainbow to find white, the Purest and Truest color.





Heey... this is pretty fun. When I grow up, I want to be a ####monkey like the time cube man!

[Tanktunker]

I'll edit this post with more information tommorrow, and no, I haven't read the entire thread, but I'll touch the thing that annoyed me most with what they said.
-1 * -1 =/= 1
Untrue.
-1 * -1 = 1
Let * be groups of, as the times function means n groups of x (2*4 or 2 groups of 4 = 8, 7*11 or 7 groups of 11 = 77 etc. etc.)

1 group of -1 = -1, since one group of would always equal n, there is no reason for the number to fluctuate if you just turn it into a unit, 1 group of 8 means 1 unit of 8, which equals 8, 1 froup of 116 means 1 unit of 116 which equals 116, thus 1 group of -1 means 1 unit of -1 which equals -1.
Just as 1 * n equals n, or 1n.

And inveresly, x groups of n (instead of n groups of x) would equal the same as n groups of x, as 4 groups of 2 equal 8, and 2 groups of 4 would equal 8 too, or 16 groups of 9 equals 144, and 9 groups of 16 equals 144 too.
Just as n * x = nx, x * n would equal nx, or 6 * n = 6n and n * 6 = 6n.

And having proven the above -1 groups of 1 equals 1.

Now, if -1 * 1 = -1, or -n * x = -nx then we can conclude that a negative amount of groups of a number, NUMBER, not positive number, since you can define n as a negative number and get a correct result, is equal to the opposite of the number that is multiplied (second number, i.e. in -n * x, you get the opposite of x, as in, if x is a negative, then you get a positive result, if x is positive, you get a negative result), thus -1 * -1 = 1.

...

Wow, I'll fix it up in the morn, I'm somewhat tired, I probably shouldn't be trying to prove that either.
And I missed out some stuff.
Don't refer to this until I fix it, eve though I'm sure someone is going to be...selectively illiterate and ignore this, or will just be a dick and erase this from his quote.

[DarkReality]

This doesn't even closely resemble a theory, much more a collection of quaint ideas that have not the slightest correlation to one another. At least not in any way that would make it anything plausible.

A bad joke, at best.

[Tanktunker]

*blink*
I know that, I'll fix it in the morn, I'm fiarly sure I said that.

[DarkReality]

I meant the entire thing. The points summed up in the original post. Not what you wrote.

[Vagrant]

This doesn't even closely resemble a theory, much more a collection of quaint ideas that have not the slightest correlation to one another. At least not in any way that would make it anything plausible.

A bad joke, at best.

That was what I was thinking as well. It didn't make a plausible theory that fit together -- just a bunch of random ideas tossed into some weird cassarole.

[pong676]

Science is just a way of finding things out about the world, theories are a step taken to find out those things.

Where's the scientific evidence in the Time Cube theory? Where is the mathematical evidence?

[Homer43]

I wouldn't know, talk to the friggin "scientist" who figured it out, not the person who told you it was a theory despite the obvious title to the thread...