Analysis of Motherload pod fuel efficiency

[Afterburner]

After driving 20 tiles, I burned 2 liters of fuel.

Each tile is 10 ft deep, assuming it's a square, it's 10ft wide.

200 feet = 2 liters

Same as

0.0716934052 miles per gallon on a pod with the weight of 1980kg.

As a comparison: The Honda Civic is 1238.30717kg and can get 28 miles per gallon. That's 62.54% of the weight with 39055.2% better mileage.

That's not very impressive. You woulda thought with all that reduced atmosphere and more techonolgoy we could get better mileage. -_-

[unicycler]

I can't belive that anybody would waste their time doing that math, the game isn't made to be accurate just fun. I'm just kidding, although the gas prices are extremely cheap so you can't really complain. :-p

[Kaskas]

one more geeky thing like this and you'll get my lightsaber up your... ejem

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I was aiming to read some faq about fuel tanks and stuff.

[MercuryLime]

The Honda doesn't DIG INTO THE GROUND... You forgot that. :P

[PyromaniacLVI]

maybe it isnt the petro chemical gasoline that we use here in the year 2004. Maybe its some type of hydrogen propelllant or liquid oxygen.

[skye]

Nice math :D

[MercuryLime]

Antimatter fuel - 60 liters.


Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[Afterburner]

Yes, but skywire, I conducted the experiments while driving on the surface. The one criticism can be that I implicitly presumed that the Honda Civic drives under similar cirucmstances. Still, even a 4x4 SUV that can handle Martian soil usually doesn't get THAT bad mileage.

NOW: comparison of perhaps the gravitational difference. Mars has 0.376 the gravitational pull that we have.

ASSUMING that skye was lazy (haha) and that the kg refers to weight rather than mass, then the pod that weighs 1980kg on Mars will weigh 5265.95kg on Earth. This only changes calculations by one-third, though, and besides: kg OUGHT to refer to mass, not weight, and I assume skye knew that.

RE: Lightsabers: sorry, I outnerded you again. You should know, I started the whole idea of lightsabers in BBCode, I've got some nice examples in the Art forum under "Afterburner's Art". *whips out his arsenal*

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We now return you to your regularly scheduled session of nerdiness.

MORE INTERESTING OBSERVATIONS:

skye mixes English and metric units. I presume this is because certain Satanic numbers wouldn't work out in meters, but do in feet with regards to the actual size of Mars.

Gas Prices: a dollar a liter. WOW. On one hand that is mad expensive, but on the other: considering it's probably shipped from Earth, that's mad cheap.

AHA, I knew I forgot something. My worst assumption, as skywire pointed out, was the fact that they use the same gas. ANALYSIS:

An amount of matter-antimatter fuel that is only 0.5 percent of the mass of the pod is all you would need to reach a speed of ten percent the speed of light, according to modern calculations.

Any use of Ion engines is horribly inefficient for something like drilling.

Use of other chemical propellants.....unlikely, but a possibility.

ANALYSIS of ENGINE:

From intial crude observations, upgrading by 3 levels the horsepower seems to INCREASE fuel efficiency, but barely. 14 or so tiles per liter rather than 10. This is insignificant.

</nerd ramble>

[Dizzy_Klone]

I don't care what anyone says. Those are good observations. Note: Observations, not complaints. I don't think anyone can really complain, because this is a really fun game.

[MercuryLime]

It must be that antimatter is involved elsewhere. Because when you run out of fuel, you can't electro-magnetically store it, so yor pod blows up. :D

Hm, it could be hydrogen... But then, the gas store image has a dispenser that would be pretty faulty at dispensing hydrogen. :P

[huntershadow]

Yes, but skywire, I conducted the experiments while driving on the surface. The one criticism can be that I implicitly presumed that the Honda Civic drives under similar cirucmstances. Still, even a 4x4 SUV that can handle Martian soil usually doesn't get THAT bad mileage.

NOW: comparison of perhaps the gravitational difference. Mars has 0.376 the gravitational pull that we have.

ASSUMING that skye was lazy (haha) and that the kg refers to weight rather than mass, then the pod that weighs 1980kg on Mars will weigh 5265.95kg on Earth. This only changes calculations by one-third, though, and besides: kg OUGHT to refer to mass, not weight, and I assume skye knew that.

RE: Lightsabers: sorry, I outnerded you again. You should know, I started the whole idea of lightsabers in BBCode, I've got some nice examples in the Art forum under "Afterburner's Art". *whips out his arsenal*

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We now return you to your regularly scheduled session of nerdiness.

MORE INTERESTING OBSERVATIONS:

skye mixes English and metric units. I presume this is because certain Satanic numbers wouldn't work out in meters, but do in feet with regards to the actual size of Mars.

Gas Prices: a dollar a liter. WOW. On one hand that is mad expensive, but on the other: considering it's probably shipped from Earth, that's mad cheap.

AHA, I knew I forgot something. My worst assumption, as skywire pointed out, was the fact that they use the same gas. ANALYSIS:

An amount of matter-antimatter fuel that is only 0.5 percent of the mass of the pod is all you would need to reach a speed of ten percent the speed of light, according to modern calculations.

Any use of Ion engines is horribly inefficient for something like drilling.

Use of other chemical propellants.....unlikely, but a possibility.

ANALYSIS of ENGINE:

From intial crude observations, upgrading by 3 levels the horsepower seems to INCREASE fuel efficiency, but barely. 14 or so tiles per liter rather than 10. This is insignificant.

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it is a nerdy conundrum whaaaaaaaa
and ion engiens i dont think could be use a drill drive scince there only thrust engines and could allow flight but not drill
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[Gotler]

Why arent there any fusion engine? I think the best engine should be a fusion engine. Of course that wouldnt go well with the whole fuel concept but it would be nice. But the fuel would be cheap wouldnt it? If what Im saying sounds totally wrong then just forget it. Im sometimes wrong...

-Gotler

[XTTX]

Hummer H2 gets 8-11 mpg =D

[frogster]

So how come you blow up when you run out of fuel

[KillerRoofcutter]

ya why can't u whip out ur jetpack and fly up with a gascan and buy some gas then go all the way down on ur 4 litter jetpack and put the gas into the digger and then explode again on the way up because u only got 1 litter in the can haha

[MercuryLime]

Because that would make the game take longer to load. :P

[Afterburner]

And also because it would completely ruin the point of some parts of the game.

[Benjamin1986]

Another odd thing. What kind of crazy planet is this where the gravity increases as you go down?

As every small child knows, the force of gravity is based on.
F = G(m1*m2)/(r^2)
And the gravitational field's strength is
G(m1)/(r^2)
(where G is a constant, m1 is the mass of the point object, and r is the distance from the object). However, this is only valid when you are completely outside the planet.

For an evenly distributed mass, the gravity field would be
Integral of r of (4(pi)(r^2)(dr)p * (G/r^2))
Integral of r of (4(pi)(dr)p(G))
4(pi)(r)p(G)
(with pi=3.14, G= Gravitational constant, p= density of the planet, d=derivative and r being distance from the center). Function only valid inside the planet
Therefore, gravity should go down as "r" decreases.

For gravity to go up, you need an incredibly massive core and a very light upper crust, which doesn't make sense.

[Afterburner]

Actually, gravity is unchanged. The dirt is harder but you still fall at the same rate.

(I like to see more nerds here, yay!)

[youto11]

I just was playing ML and checked how high i could go. i was thinking wouldent it be funny if the mother load was 12000 feet in the air. yes im bored.

[charon12]

Why do the posts by Afterburner and Kaskas show up with all that code instead of displaying properly?

Also, I'm loving the game. I stopped by the forums to see what others had to say about it and I must agree that it is addictive. I've yet to finish as I've blown up due to gas pockets. Anyhow, I saw this thread but I I just see the all that code when I assume I should see something resembling a lightsaber. If I skipped or missed a thread or faq that deals with this, point me to it. Thanks.

[Afterburner]

Because in PHPBBFM, they look like real lightsabers, with glow, fade, and shading. Right now Skye temp converted to a reg PHPBB forum, but eventually it should be restored.

[XeryusTC]

Dont forget its colder on Mars then on Earth and petroil has a higher density if its colder so you get more petroil then you'll get on earth with the same tank

[Afterburner]

But not nearly enough to counterbalance the current difference.

[mailesmyth]

ok, since fuel consumption SEEMS to be the primary topic, is anyone bored enough to fugure out the rate of consumption in freefall down a shaft, and the consumption rate of ascent? (to simplify, assume starting engine and empty cargo)
i havent gotten addicted enough to do it myself (only been playing 2 days, or i just might), but i understand the desire to figure out the absolutely pointless. who else has sat and tried figuring every possible set of moves for a game of tic-tac-toe? Besides, why do yourself what someone else can do for you (and probably better). :wink:

[dyslexic]

hmmm... when was the last time youve tried to dig 4000 feet into the ground with your civic?!?! A machine designed to dig over a mile into the ground on a foreign planet wouldnt get the best milage, especially when it can also fly and drive as well. I think less than $750 is a pretty good price for a drill that got that kind of mileage.

[DarkReality]

Gas Prices: a dollar a liter. WOW. On one hand that is mad expensive, but on the other: considering it's probably shipped from Earth, that's mad cheap.

Those would be the prices here. Except in euro. Which is essentially worth the same amount. Almost. More or less. -_-

But you can't forget that the engine not only moves the vehicle horizontally on wheels, it also has to power the drill, the mechanisms to grab the minerals, AND make it possible to fly straight into the air with nothing but your engine and your propeller. Sure, unrealistic, but if you made it realistic, it wouldn't be fun. My car can hold 40 liters and drives up to 600 km before I need to fill up again. Imagine how long I could dig >_<

[dunce]

that's really cool thx for the info :lol:

[Afterburner]

Yeah, but Dark, I calculated this with no drill, just driving on the surface. Under those situations, it has no exucse for burning gas while drilling.

[nullblade]

Antimatter fuel - 60 liters.


Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Hmmm... something's telling me that the gas pocket explosions might get a weeee bit bigger if the tank is near the outside of the pod. :)