how bout drug dealin and smugglin

[decaying soul]

how bout it its a way to make money :twisted: 8)

[crazy_guy_832]

Yeah, and, like, if you get caught by a cop or something, you gotta pay a fine, and you lose your dope.

[BowlingJohn]

how bout it its a way to make money :twisted: 8)

Put me down on the record as saying a do not like this idea. You are glorifying drugs and dealing them by including them into the game. It's bad enough that in StickRPG you have to give a "kid" a pack of cigarettes to get the skateboard.

I love the game, and will play it regarless, but I think it's sending the wrong message to the younger ones playing this game.

Just my thought on the matter... :lol:

[kevinok]

well i think the coke in strpg was suppost to be an start to an underworld of crime

[StuartHart]

There's been lots of games that have glorified drug dealing - I don't think one more is gonna hurt.

But I like the idea - apart from being a way of making money, there could be all sorts of stuff thrown into it, like the more you carry, the more suspicious a cop could get when you walk by them, then they might question you and depending on your Charm stat you might be able to talk your way out of it and continue you on without problems.

Fail to talk out of it and you could be arrested and spend sometime in jail, or you could do a runner and try and get away free or possibly be eventually chased down, beaten to a pulp and sent to hospital for a number of days, losing whatever money, drugs and other illegal/dangerous items you were carrying (weapons mainly).

So, Drug Dealing in StickRPG 2 could be a fast way of making money, but it carries massive risks.

[gamers2343]

maby you could grow stuff like pot or something and have people you pay a certain amount to sell it for you so you don't get caught and they give you the money from it or even they could take like 25% of the sales. :D and i think that is stupid.... afraid of glorifying drugs for kids ha ha it's not like it's gonna influence anyone to start smokin pot or sniffin coke lol

[BowlingJohn]

maby you could grow stuff like pot or something and have people you pay a certain amount to sell it for you so you don't get caught and they give you the money from it or even they could take like 25% of the sales. :D and i think that is stupid.... afraid of glorifying drugs for kids ha ha it's not like it's gonna influence anyone to start smokin pot or sniffin coke lol

Sorry 13 year old expert on life, but I am a high school teacher and have talked to students who are now hooked on drugs (I do volunteer work at reform centers) who have said that the video games glorification of selling, dealing and using drugs helped get them to try it for the first time. The trouble with pot and coke is once you try it, you can easily get addicted, and then it's all downhill from there.

Glorification of selling or doing drugs is not a good thing. The statistics on this subject do not lie....

I respect your opinion, but your information is incorrect.

[kevinok]

well i have alot of friends who smoke pot and of what they tell me that pot is not addicting. what the really problem is ciggerates

[BowlingJohn]

If it's not addicting, then ask them to stop.

See how long they stay away from the pot.

[kevinok]

one of my friends has been off for like 4 months now

[BowlingJohn]

Wow! One of your friends, you say?

Didn't you earlier state that you had "alot of friends" who smoke pot?

And one of them has been off it for 4 months.

Well, that's great for him, but the rest of your friends just prove my point...

[kevinok]

well alot of my friends have pretty messed up lives and if that helps them get by and not hurt themselves then im fine with it

[DeathWishZombie]

The problem is, my friend, they don't know if they are addicted alot of the time. i know someone who thinks he could stop, but then he also says that the reason he dosen't is because it calms him down and lets him continue life normaly. Thats the problem, low education. I have never touched a ciggarette or drugs and don't plan to. But i am a fire bug. Burn them, burn them all. :twisted:

[kevinok]

i guess my logic is as long as nobody gets hurt it's fine. and dont give me that comercal when the stoned kid shoots himself in the face the problem here is the parents leaving a loaded gun around that was easy to find.

[BowlingJohn]

The problem is, my friend, they don't know if they are addicted alot of the time. i know someone who thinks he could stop, but then he also says that the reason he dosen't is because it calms him down and lets him continue life normaly. Thats the problem, low education. I have never touched a ciggarette or drugs and don't plan to. But i am a fire bug. Burn them, burn them all. :twisted:

Thanks DeathWish for that information. I, like you, have never touched a cigarette or drugs, but I know the devestating effacts of them both. It's an addiction, and it needs help to be treated.

[kevinok]

john its not that i disagree with you i've never touched any of that stuff either but i really dont find anything wrong with some of them.

[BowlingJohn]

i guess my logic is as long as nobody gets hurt it's fine. and dont give me that comercal when the stoned kid shoots himself in the face the problem here is the parents leaving a loaded gun around that was easy to find.

Um, Kevin? The stoned kid shooting himself in the face would justify OUR point, not yours....

Try and consider that before making another useless post here, ok?

[kevinok]

u cant tell me that a kid who wasnt stoned might have dont that to.

i just think if you leaglized these drugs not as many people would do them plus u can make sure there not laced with anything. In my life i might try pot for medical things same goes for other drugs. Make drugs leagal can only help to keep drugs safer. u cant stop drugs but u can regulate it.

btw this is my 4000 post

[GLITCH]

im with you. i don't see the point of it. can you tell me the point ot taking something that does nothing good for you? and just ruins your health? i can't. i never am going to take anythingk like that. i don't even like taking panadole lol :) and if you think it is okay because ur friends have a hard life it makes no diference. they just need more willpower and to do something about it not take the easy way. i don't think that drugs are necicary in this game, it will still be a brilliant game without it.

[nick889]

hey john, from your other post including these past few, you sound like a super kool teacher, i think that you do care about us when you dont want drugs in games like this, but i dont think it would be a bad idea, 99% of people who play video games that have something involved with drugs dont get hooked on the stuff, hell my dad didnt quit smoking till i was like 8 or 9 so since i was a little kid i have been second hand smoking off my dad, and i am not addicted, i liked the smell but i would never take up smoking, so i pretty much had the experience of drugs coming up and smacking me in the face and i still dont want to do them.

[Kaskas]

i like the idea of drug dealing and smugglin... in the end this game is for adult people i think, i think some people here takes it too much serious... i was to herd for me to give the cigarretes to a stick kid... what his stick father would think of me.


i really wanna go underground in SRPG2... if U want to be a legal dude is alright to me, but im as bad as michael jackson and i want to prove it...

[Freddy]

I got to agree with kaskas. If u want to live undergound with gangs and drugs, go. If u want to live the legal way, go. Thats y SRPG2 will be so cool.

[BowlingJohn]

hey john, from your other post including these past few, you sound like a super kool teacher, i think that you do care about us when you dont want drugs in games like this, but i dont think it would be a bad idea, 99% of people who play video games that have something involved with drugs dont get hooked on the stuff, hell my dad didnt quit smoking till i was like 8 or 9 so since i was a little kid i have been second hand smoking off my dad, and i am not addicted, i liked the smell but i would never take up smoking, so i pretty much had the experience of drugs coming up and smacking me in the face and i still dont want to do them.

Thanks for the compliment Nick. I do appreciate that, and I agree with alot of what you have said. I'm more concerned about things I hear in the hallways when my students talk about these games that have drugs and gangs and such and can't seperate the fantasy world of the video game from the real world of possibly going to jail or getting killed. You are correct, the majority of kids (young adults as I like to call them) can distinguish the difference and not be affected. I just worry about the ones that can't.

Let's have some good scores today! I'm shooting to join the Billionaires club... :D

[Jshaw71]

Yeah, and, like, if you get caught by a cop or something, you gotta pay a fine, and you lose your dope.

sounds like a good consiquence too me, I like it.

[Kaskas]

and how some days in jail if the drug cuantity was really big??? i really dont think if this could be neither good or bad idea.

[joeys019]

i think thats a great idea since it would be something to do if theres multi player and two theres cociane in srpg1 but you cant do a thing with it! :(

[Kaskas]

i still think people here take it too much serious...


i dont think any Stick bying or selling cocaine would induce u to do the same, i had put a poll to see if people are alright with adult content, just vote, we are not getting to any point like this.

[BowlingJohn]

i still think people here take it too much serious...


i dont think any Stick bying or selling cocaine would induce u to do the same, i had put a poll to see if people are alright with adult content, just vote, we are not getting to any point like this.

Spoken like a true child with no knowledge of this subject.....

[kevinok]

i still think people here take it too much serious...


i dont think any Stick bying or selling cocaine would induce u to do the same, i had put a poll to see if people are alright with adult content, just vote, we are not getting to any point like this.

Spoken like a true child with no knowledge of this subject.....

so your saying if we see someone doing drugs in a video game we will do drugs in real life

[BowlingJohn]

Kevin, do you have to reply to EVERY topic I wirte on in here?????

We have discussed this in this area before (if you would go back and read previous posts before just SPAMMING it wouold make a lot of us happier)....

Studies have shown that YES, video games that help glorify drug use and drug dealing have a tendency to lead SOME people into trying drugs and/or selling them for the first time.

That is all I said. Did I say EVERYONE will try them, NO. Will some just because it's involved in a game they like? YES!!! Some people have trouble (here I go again having to repeat myself because Kevin won't SHUT UP) seperating the fantasy world of video games from the real world or cops, pushers, and possibly getting killed.

Now, there is no reason for you to reply to this KEVIN, so don't.....

[Kaskas]

well i'm spoking like someone who have RESPECT for the everyones ideas, please dont talk to me as if i where a child, because you may be the one who is more childish here, doesnt see the diference between reality and fiction is a not very mature, you may want skye to include and advertisement at the tabacco box "DANGER: STICKY TABACCO KILLS"


i wish SRPG2 would include more drugs... just to take all them, and selling the to other Sticky people, and becoming rich like this, then taking beers with corrup policeman and politician, and talk about what Sticky country we are going to bomb next for fuel.


C U mrMatureJhon

[kevinok]

Kevin, do you have to reply to EVERY topic I wirte on in here?????

We have discussed this in this area before (if you would go back and read previous posts before just SPAMMING it wouold make a lot of us happier)....

Studies have shown that YES, video games that help glorify drug use and drug dealing have a tendency to lead SOME people into trying drugs and/or selling them for the first time.

That is all I said. Did I say EVERYONE will try them, NO. Will some just because it's involved in a game they like? YES!!! Some people have trouble (here I go again having to repeat myself because Kevin won't SHUT UP) seperating the fantasy world of video games from the real world or cops, pushers, and possibly getting killed.

Now, there is no reason for you to reply to this KEVIN, so don't.....


Well John I will reply because I disagree with what you just said. People will do drugs no matter what they see in there video games. And I don't think you can prove that video games do this. Lets say I was playing GTA Vice City because I play this game you say I will go steal a car. I give that people are stupid but you can't prove they might have done that even if it wasn't in a video game. Sure I'll give that video games might and often do portray drugs as a good thing but people do have a stonger will then to do everything they see.

[Kaskas]

hahaha only someone who fells his arguments are weak would become this angry for someone replies him...


the worst effect of drugs is that they wipe the reality out, and mix what really happens with imagination and fiction... blowingJhon mix it so much that i am starting to think his on high.

[skye]

I apologize for my late entry on this topic - I've been quite busy as of late.

Here is my opinion on the subject. It may differ from yours - and opinions are simply opinions:

<opinion>

A majority of massively popular video games today have extreme violence not only included, but featured as the main objective of the game. This 'feature' has proven an excellent selling point. There has been much debate and attempted legislation regarding the issue of violence in Video games.

By the same token - toplessness in BMX XXX requires the game, by law, not be sold to minors. I am by no means a nudist, but there is no denying that nudity is the natural human state - we are born naked.

We are not born with one arm ripped out of it's socket and a shotgun wound to the chest.

In my opinion - video games are for entertainment. Nobody has claimed that someone addicted to 'Fishy' is going to go on a bulemic Fish-eating spree with serious emotional and health consequences. Will disgruntled 'Defend Your Castle' addicts try picking up school bullies and flinging them 400 feet in the air, only to think they'll gain a monetary reward when the hit the ground? This is a bit of a stretch...

A note on drugs: They exist. They are accessible. Your children know they exist, and probably how to get them - why not tell them what they really are, and what they really do? A child who is told that someone who smokes pot one time is going to have a severely lowered IQ, is going to lose trust when they find out this is not the case. What about when they find out YOU smoked pot in high school? There is no denying the ill effects of continued drug usage - but why not use statistics instead of scare tactics? Why not go after your corner drug dealer instead of your corner game store?

Video games are a means to live out scenarios in a safe virtual enviroment.
Do the killing there, not in real life.

For pondering:
Has the current state of anti-videogame moral contradictions and high-profile controversy evolved because america was founded on both violence and the morals of the church?
</opinion>

[The First]

Skye, thats definetly the most detailed post i've ever heard from anyone on this site. Nice speech

[Kaskas]

i must say it does... :shock:

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

So we have widdled this topic down to a mere theory?Sure we could blame society but then isn't that what's gotten us to this state?Though these games are violent and such they are rated and some can only be bought by adults.No one forced these kids to buy this game,sure you can go and say peer pressure,but what it really is the lack of education between these generations.Kids are growning up and being fed all of these things that are wrong which they can't tell the difference,I'm not fully blaming the parents becuase it is abunch of other things besides this, so I guess when you throw it all together you get this tangeled mess.I think it can be stopped if we can bridge many borders that we are afraid to becuase of idiotic reasons. I hope this didn't sound lame/stupid/or what ever but I hope it did make sense.

[Amaiznblue50]

yes it made sense...but from a 14 year old it is hypocritical...because i bet if we look at your video games we'll find some M games and then you'll just be giving into this hellish society that we so live in. If someone chooses to smoke or drink so be it. I am underage...yet i drink...it brings me happiness and it might be killing my liver but its my choice.

[kevinok]

I apologize for my late entry on this topic - I've been quite busy as of late.

Here is my opinion on the subject. It may differ from yours - and opinions are simply opinions:

<opinion>

A majority of massively popular video games today have extreme violence not only included, but featured as the main objective of the game. This 'feature' has proven an excellent selling point. There has been much debate and attempted legislation regarding the issue of violence in Video games.

By the same token - toplessness in BMX XXX requires the game, by law, not be sold to minors. I am by no means a nudist, but there is no denying that nudity is the natural human state - we are born naked.

We are not born with one arm ripped out of it's socket and a shotgun wound to the chest.

In my opinion - video games are for entertainment. Nobody has claimed that someone addicted to 'Fishy' is going to go on a bulemic Fish-eating spree with serious emotional and health consequences. Will disgruntled 'Defend Your Castle' addicts try picking up school bullies and flinging them 400 feet in the air, only to think they'll gain a monetary reward when the hit the ground? This is a bit of a stretch...

A note on drugs: They exist. They are accessible. Your children know they exist, and probably how to get them - why not tell them what they really are, and what they really do? A child who is told that someone who smokes pot one time is going to have a severely lowered IQ, is going to lose trust when they find out this is not the case. What about when they find out YOU smoked pot in high school? There is no denying the ill effects of continued drug usage - but why not use statistics instead of scare tactics? Why not go after your corner drug dealer instead of your corner game store?

Video games are a means to live out scenarios in a safe virtual enviroment.
Do the killing there, not in real life.

For pondering:
Has the current state of anti-videogame moral contradictions and high-profile controversy evolved because america was founded on both violence and the morals of the church?
</opinion>


Very nice speech skye i really like this part [quote]Will disgruntled 'Defend Your Castle' addicts try picking up school bullies and flinging them 400 feet in the air, only to think they'll gain a monetary reward when the hit the ground?

but in all it was a very good speech

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

Sorry to burst your bubble but Honestly I do not have a Gaming console, but yes I have played games that are Mature.But thats another thing, If your not mature enough to play it, Don't. I don't think people realize when they are Imature.Yes it is your choice exactly.I'm Just trying to bring these to sides together.Society is hell and i think we all have a little demon inside of us somewhere

[Amaiznblue50]

...might want to close the quote tag...but yes violence has become the main stream to our society

[kevinok]

or you could always go by sex sells

[Amaiznblue50]

yes just flip through the tv...reality tv...yes those are real people...built guys with abs and the girls with there breasts...ha...but back to the point. with no parental supervision there will always be kids playing games that are to mature for them.

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

yes just flip through the tv...reality tv...yes those are real people...built guys with abs and the girls with there breasts...ha...but back to the point. with no parental supervision there will always be kids playing games that are to mature for them.
Exactly! Oh well it kinda feels like those problems that will always be around though, like AIDS or SARS, as if this is some kind of disease.Sad but true.
About the Reality shows, its like, False reality.You dont see a guy with a fat gut and a chick thats overweight on survivor or even especially Paradise hotel. Any one have a solution to this Universal Problem?

[Amaiznblue50]

SARS is a new disease...but yea the drugs were socially acceptable in the 70's i dont see why it cant be now...they think its a big problem...when they did the sAME thing

[Kaskas]

maybe we are more realistic about them than in the 70's... i think the problem is that some people preffer to prettending drugs doesnt exist, and try hiding their existance to the children, ignoring something is not the way to fight, is knoledge what really helps.

[Malohkan]

Same here, none of that's going in me. I have friend who fell to pot and of course all of the time say they could quit but whenever they try it never lasts for more than a few days. After a few months I could actually see a difference in their intelligence level, kinda sad. Using drugs to "get by" has got to be the lamest excuse for using drugs there is. Everyone's got it hard, they're not special. You don't need drugs to get by. That's just one more problem to introduce to your life.

[Kaskas]

well, i think SRPG1 took drugs in a serious way, you may think not but look, Cafeine and tabacco affected to the HP, theonly drug that didnt have a side effect was the alcohol, and they are talking about adding alcohol side effects in SRPG2, well about cocaine... u couldnt even use it.

I want drugs and drug dealing in SRPG2, but i want them to be played as seriously as the ones on SRPG1.

hey if you wanna try an experiment of how bad is tabacco on SRPG1... smoke 5 cigaretes boxes each day and see the results.

[Paxwiz64]

Yes, I agree. Drugs should be included in SRPG2. If the game includes legal and illegal career paths, drug dealers should be included, its a fact of life any way you slice it. Maybe include some other underground careers/busniesses. Mafia Hitman, Godfather, etc. Gang Leaders and Thugs.

[Rambo]

kaskas is right drugs may be in the game but you are given somewhat of a warning if u are too stupid to divulge between reality and fantasy