Whos better blink 182 or sum 41!

[Peewee]

WHos better sum 41 or blink 182! (plz dont post anythign saying bad thigns about either of the bands thx)

[Advanced]

No Contest it is Blink

[Sam]

sum 41 is so much better! i love the music

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

Yeah, Blink. Although Sum41 is more rock.. they aren't too shabby. But I like Blink more

[Freddy]

Sum 41 all the way! I love "over my head" its one of my favorites songs by them.

[The Brown Cow]

Ummm... neither... I'm refraining from saying anything bad about them... oooo... it's tough...

[Zeta_Riticuli]

i dont like punk but atleast all of sum 41 used to be in metal bands before they made sum 41, and some of them still like metal. i hate blink 182 with a passion

[HungryMonkey]

Blink 182... The name burns too. Sum 41 is hillarious! Just watch the Hell Song video.

[Ice Man]

Voting is difficult... there both good-ish. neither are great... id have to say sum41 though, because there better.

[Peewee]

yeah thx shadow for not dissing them lol i dont really care if somone says i hate the band it just pisses me off when ppl totaly diss the band but it was hard for me to vote to lol i liek em both i just wantedto see wat other ppl thought

[j0k3r]

i like blink 182 better there a lil more punkish

[Peewee]

i more of a rock kinda guy so i like sum 41 better

[ehntoo]

I also hate blink with a passion... Sum 41 is pretty good... GO Hell Song!

[j0k3r]

there both good :D

[stickfighter7]

COME ON what is with all the music these days blink and sum 41 r trying to act punk but they r nothing but rock

[j0k3r]

since when havethey ever tryed to be punk? they have never said there pun ktheyv never said there rock they just play there music... i dont get why ppl think simple plan sum 41 blink 182 and other bands liek them are punk posers they play there music and thats all...

[TOP HAT McBABS]

Well, Blink wants to be a gateway to the punk lifestyle/music. Blink was the first band I'd listen to that was remotely punk. And then I started listening to Punk. Without Blink I wouldn't be listening to punk. I listen to all of blink's old stuff and new. Old stuff is pretty get-up punk as I like to call it. But, I love blink 182. Too bad the poll is closed.

As for the people that hate them, I don't care. Half my friends hate blink with a passion, but I mean, why would anyone take it seriously enough to hate the person for it, you know?

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

I like Blink One Eighty Two not becuase they're 'punk', not becuase they were cool clothes. I actually listen to them becuase I like their music. I love their music, I think it's great. Though some of you will differ and say how much you hate blink182 with a passion and how Mudvayne and Slipknot are so much cooler. But just remember, I wasn't the one jumping into your thread bashing Mudvayne/Slipknot/Disturbed or what ever the hell the new angry yell bands of today are. Do I dislike most nu-metal? Yes. Do I go around telling everyone I possibly can that I hate nu-metal? No.

I really like Blink182, they really inspire me with some of the songs I write. I seriously do not understand what the big fuss about 'punk' is. If you go out of your way to bash other bands and call your self 'punk' just becuase you don't listen to them, get a life. Anarchy is dead, you're not cool and metal sucks, get over it.

[The Brown Cow]

In no way do I mean to say that my views are the "correct" views, or that anyone else should agree. I'm just gonna express my opinion.

There are very few modern bands that I think are good. I used to like Blink 182. But... they've totally sold out. Their music is forced into molds made by the record companies. Creativity in the music industry has been exchanged for record deals. It's really very sad.

This is not only for so-called "punk" bands, but also applies to every other kind of music. The whole music industry has been corrupted (I blame MTV).

I don't see how a band that has sold it's creativity in order to fit the image of "punk" can be honestly labeled as Punk. Quite the opposite really...

[The First]

Metal does not suck, I beg to differ. First you tell us not to bash punk and then you tell us we're not cool and that metal sucks?... ahem...

[theundeclinable]

i have to agree. the second a band releases a song to get into the chart they are no longer worthy of having any other label than pop music.

slipknot, Blink 182, A, sum 41 etc

the list is endless. but sum 41 were bread chart friendly atleast Blink 182 had a background. they have been around years and years and years, try buying chesshire cat or kickflip for blink 182 at their best. thats punk music. they sold out. Take A as another example, been around a decade without touching the chart and some their old music is really good (Bad idea, what a classic) but with Star*ucks and nothing they are just sucking up to the industry. music is about being proud of where you are from and being loyal to your fans. i lose my respect for bands that call themself rock and shoot straight into the chart at number 1 (*ahem* evanesence) since they are clearly just pandering to the majority. and i dont know what you guys think but pop music sucks.

blink, sum41, slipknot. you are are sell outs.

lets have more of something corporate, undeclinable and Eve 6!!!

[ehntoo]

I also have to agree. I love and always have loved Blink's old stuff. Then they sold out. Now they conform to anything that the record companies tell them to, just for the money.

I like the bands that care nothing about money... take for instance... pretty much anything on the Epitaph record label. My favorite label.

Most of anything that's ever been shown on MTV has been sold out, but if I had to listen to one of them for the rest of the year... it'd be Sum 41 because they have the most tolerable 'punkness' of them all.
Epitaph sells their cd's at like $4-5 a piece. There's proof they care little about money.

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

Metal does not suck, I beg to differ. First you tell us not to bash punk and then you tell us we're not cool and that metal sucks?... ahem...
Lol, Sorry I was just being silly.. It doesn't suck


Okay, What the hell is a sellout? I don't believe there is such thing as a sellout but just a name you call a band that is popular that you don't like.

Example, "Hey John don't listen to Thrice! THEY'RE SELL OUTS!"...

But I can say for blink that they're not sell outs, they do not do everything the record company tells them. I suggest you guys not to generalize things so much ecspecially when you're wrong..

They spent two years in a house writing/recording their upcoming CD, did the record company say,'Oh you have to go record a cd in this house'. NO! Did they say,'You have to write so many songs' NO!..
Bands are going to abide by what is right and what is in their contract.

Noclue2, but then again, Epitaph isn't a huge coporation that needs money to pay all of it's employees.

[theundeclinable]

whether they spend 2 years writing music for their new album doesnt stop them being sell outs. if they cared about their music they would stay loyal to their fans. their record labels are money grabbing fools and they sell out by signing stupid contracts that forbids them to make good punk music (god bless epitaph) and make chart friendly pop punk that little children think they have discovered.

if blink 182 decided to bring out buddha now they would be sacked from their record label (apart from it being a poor album) since its not really chart friendly and thats all that the record labels want nowadays.

so how dont i know about what i am talking about? personally i think its you who dont know what they talk about, they are now given guidelines to how they can write music otherwise i am sure they would continue with their punk that put them where they are and not write pop crap to satisfy people like you.

[j0k3r]

well... lol im only 12 so i can only "relate" or "understand" 3/4 of the stuff u guys are talking about but if thats tre that all these ppl have sighned cntracts saying they can only wirght some kind of songs thats horrible! music is all suppsoed to be creativitie and expressing yurself! i meen if u sighn a contract saying wat can play and cant play shamer on u! if u do that ur killing the music... it makes me sic kto my stomic that ppl would do that... if i ever get a band that goes big ill never sighn a contract liek that... id rather live in a piece of shit apartment and jsut get enoug mone yto get by and be able to wright wat eevr the hell i want then to get rich and be told wat to wright... thats wat musics about...

[theundeclinable]

you got it right there mate, music shouldnt be about money, music should be about music, creativity and entertaining people. not pandering to the masses.

[Sinkman34]

Sum41 has never said they are a punk band therefore they have never tried to be punk, or sumthing like that

[j0k3r]

exactly and i dont really think sum 41 sold out sum 41's music has always bin the same... either that or from day 1 they sold out

[Danielle]

Ah without question. Blink 182!! (even though polls are closed)

[theundeclinable]

Sum41 has never said they are a punk band therefore they have never tried to be punk, or sumthing like that

so you have to declare you are punk to be punk nowadays.. i didnt realise that.

well in that case i am a fish.

if sum41 came out and said they were a string quartet would you believe them. i think the music gives it away that they are pop punk. no more no less.

[j0k3r]

i dont thin ksum 41 is pop punk i say there punk rock...

i say to be punk u dont say ur punk being pun klreally mens being rebelious dressing a certain way and not giving a shit wat anyoen thuinks of ur music u love and and u play it any ways... and now adays its pretty hard to be reall punk because theres no one againts u anymore u make "punk" music and u can make tons... everyoen wants to be punk...

[The First]

I like Blink One Eighty Two not becuase they're 'punk', not becuase they were cool clothes. I actually listen to them becuase I like their music. I love their music, I think it's great. Though some of you will differ and say how much you hate blink182 with a passion and how Mudvayne and Slipknot are so much cooler. But just remember, I wasn't the one jumping into your thread bashing Mudvayne/Slipknot/Disturbed or what ever the hell the new angry yell bands of today are. Do I dislike most nu-metal? Yes. Do I go around telling everyone I possibly can that I hate nu-metal? No.

I really like Blink182, they really inspire me with some of the songs I write. I seriously do not understand what the big fuss about 'punk' is. If you go out of your way to bash other bands and call your self 'punk' just becuase you don't listen to them, get a life. Anarchy is dead, you're not cool and metal sucks, get over it.

I see you mentioned Slipknot in your post.
Corey Taylor (The vocals of Slipknot) is an excellent vocalist. He can change his voice so much. And if Slipknot weren't a Metal band, they would be even better, because Corey doesn't have to shout out, but with nine good musicians in Slipknot, he has to raise his voice to topple over theirs, which is extremely hard.

Slipknot sounds superb in concert, probably one of the best live performers, they sound almost exactly like they do on CD. (Even though on CD or record all bands sound as best as possible because of the edits.)

... Maybe innapropriate, but the song Jump Da *Insert F word* Up is superb. Soulfly performs it, but Corey stars that song with his sublime vocals. :D

[ToKillAnATTICUS]

Silly TheUndeclinable...


You said,"if blink 182 decided to bring out buddha now they would be sacked from their record label (apart from it being a poor album) since its not really chart friendly and thats all that the record labels want nowadays."

Well, Blink recorded Buddah under Cargo Music a division of MCA records and uptil their new release They have been signed to MCA.(Their new untilted CD is under Geffen records.)

Okay, why do you keep calling blink sellouts? Becuase they got signed to a major label so even a more wide range of people could listen to their music?

So, they sign a contract? Big Deal, you have to sign a contract for a lot of things. I doubt that in the contract it specifically said,"You have to give up being punk and write pop songs.".. NO, of course it didn't. Blink182 is just a popuplar band at the moment, what's wrong with that?


*Sighz0rz*

[ehntoo]

Okay, now j0k3r is just mixing up genres. Pop Punk, like Blink currently and sum 41 and the other bands that have jumped on the bandwagon, is totally different from Punk. Punk is stuff like... Ramones, Wizo, Rammstein, and the rest. Please dont mix them up.

[theundeclinable]

Silly TheUndeclinable...


So, they sign a contract? Big Deal, you have to sign a contract for a lot of things. I doubt that in the contract it specifically said,"You have to give up being punk and write pop songs.".. NO, of course it didn't. Blink182 is just a popuplar band at the moment, what's wrong with that?


*Sighz0rz*

its not about reaching a wider audience. its about changing their style of music. yeah they have done well to sign to a new better label but is it just a coincidence their music has also changed? i think not..

Also ToKill you would have been about 8 when buddha came out mate, if not younger. i witnessed it first time round at an age when that music was totally different to what was popular at the time. its not the same as buying a current album when they are popular, liking it and buying all their past albums and declaring yourself a guru on the subject. grow up kid.

[TOP HAT McBABS]

Anyone's music changes after years of playing.. Duh. You think after many years of playing their music will stay the same? No. They have improved a lot since the beginning of their band. I love them. They didn't change drastically, either. They changed little by little because they have broaden their views of music ( i think that's what i wanted to say, but even if it wasn't.. you still know what I'm trying to say).

[theundeclinable]

their music has changed so dramitically its hard to believe they are the same band! not changed ! lol. listen to TV and then listen to something like Stay Together For The Kids, their music is so so different. how can you say its not changed? you are mad!

regardless of that they have totally changed their Genre, they can change their songs and modify where they stand in the market but they are pop orientated now since enema of the state. yeah bands change, they mature and their music improves, i never said it didnt, i just think they leave the fans behind that got them any recognition in the first place. happens all the time.

Telling it how it is.

[TOP HAT McBABS]

Umm.. I never said they didn't change. I said they changed little by little. You said I said "they never changed" twice. Changed their genre? They have remained punk rock since I last checked. Ever since flyswatter to their new untitled album of geffen records (same record label misfits recorded their album famous monsters[great band] by the way). Just thought I'd bring up the misfits because they are totally sweet.

Anyways, maybe some bands change a lot and some bands change a little. But to flyswatter to cheshire cat there was a BIG change. From cheshire cat to buddha to dude ranch.. ANOTHER HUGE CHANGE.. And so forth. They just develop their skills fast and know what they want to play and play it, i guess.

I guess I didn't mean they changed little by little at all. After thinking about it straight forward. But they didn't only change because of a big record deal. That's just stupid.

[ehntoo]

they may not have changed for a big record deal, but all the same, they changed to fit the liking of the masses. They may have not done it for money, but still, they changed their music to fit the mold of the tastes of the masses. It doesn't matter how you look at it, they sold out, and they became "pop" punk.

[cheesecake]

I reckon Blink are better, mainly because they are funny

[The First]

Punk is stuff like... Ramones, Wizo, Rammstein, and the rest. Please dont mix them up.

Ahem... I hope "Rammstein" was written in a state of delusion... I wouldn't reeeeaaaallly call them punk. At all, to be honest.

[ehntoo]

well... they're kinda punk... i dunno... I'm all confuzzled now!

[Namhet]

I don't think punk is a genre of music at all. Punk is nothing more than a word, like any other word in the english language. How each individual chooses to interpret that word is up to them. And that interpretation is what punk is all about.

And that makes it pointless to argue what is and is not punk. Each person is right, because each person knows only their interpretation. Which also makes it pointless to listen to horrible bands like Blink 182 and Sum 41 :P

I'm just kidding. To each their own.

[cheesecake]

Punk is a style of living, and so it can easily be expressed in music.

Also, I would like to clear up the issue of Blink being a pop band. Of course they are a pop band! Pop means popular, and they are popular!

I think the thing you are all referring to is mainstream pop, which is an unnoficial stream of music consisting of people trying to sound like whoever is on the charts. Blink 182 just play what they like to play, and so they are not, repeat, are not mainstream pop.

[The First]

Punk (adj.) Slang:
1. Of poor quality, worthless.
2. Weak in spirits or health

Punk (n.):
1. Slang:
a) a young person, especially a member of a rebellious counterculture group
b) an inexperienced young man.
2. Music:
a) Punk rock
b) A punk rocker
3.
a) Slang: A young man who is the sexual partner of an older man
b) Archaic: A prostitute

a performer (or enthuiast) of punk rock [syn: punk rocker] / rock music with deliberately offensive lyrics expressing anger and social alienation [syn: punk rock]

(Excerpts from the dictionary.com query for punk: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=punk)

Summary: Punk and punk rock are the same thing. A punk is also a prostitute

Are YOU a punk?

[ehntoo]

they all pretty much describe me, except for number 3... so I guess...

I am a punk!

whee... fun...

[TOP HAT McBABS]

You know something...? No one on this DAMN forum or even earth for that matter cares. :)

You are not punk. Punk is dead. Punk is nothing. Go home and have sexual acts with your grandpa and die.

[cheesecake]

Punk is not dead. It is sitting quietly in a dark corner of the world waiting to come out and conquer the world with it's punkiness

[The First]

Yes... an Mozart is right next to Punk waiting for someone to come along and start a revolution so that it becomes popular again and spawn more people saying "oh this is punk that is punk what's not punk and you're all punk rock and I'm a goth... bla".

noclue: you're of low quality? And did you not read it completely (and did you miss the bold part)? Punk and punk rock are the same, low quality, rebellious, anti-social stuff (according to definition).

Calling yourself punk is calling yourself a prostitute for older men and a low quality one at that. If anyone says they're punk again, i will hold their perverted acts against them for the rest of their lives. I'll put it in my sig... really, i will! :)

[cheesecake]

Maybe there could be punk classical? That would be a champion effort!!!!33

[ehntoo]

And you also didn't read my post. I was simply stating what i was according to the definition.

and I also said, and I quote:

except for number 3

I do not, nor have ever claimed that i am "punk" except for in that post, which was just a response to your definition... jeez...
NO I AM NOT A PROSTITUTE!

[The First]

put you claimed to be punk in that post. And whether you do it elsewhere is irrelevant. If I say I like Linkin Park once or a hundred times, it doesn't change the fact that I like them. Saying it a hundred times only makes me annoying.

My point wasn't really the prostitute part but rather punk being the same think as punk rock. I merely found the definition "low quality" and "prostitute for older men" amusing.

[Leperkawn]

Ok...This is getting weird...Especially the whole Mitch-Prostitute thing ;)

[The Brown Cow]

happythoughtshappythoughtshappythoughtshappythough ts

[Impulse]

I define Punk Rock (Yes... if a band is what you call Punk, they have Rock in it, otherwise it would just be Rap. So therefore, Punk Rock is the proper name for that term in my opinion.) as the following: Oops... Well I guess I already defined Punk Rock in parentheses. :lol:

Sorry for any confusion...

Oh... and I believe "Punk" Rock would be Rap if it didn't have Rock in it because all of the bands you have named 'Punk' so far have rhymeing in them.
And if there is was a such thing as "Punk" without Rock in it, (Punk Rock) than how is it possible? I mean... Without any Rock in this so called "Punk" music, wouldn't you consider it Rap?

Rap and this plain "Punk" have the same properties in music, am I right?

[ehntoo]

Not quite... In rap, they talk rhythmically, but in most "punk", which is just short for punk rock, they sing the lyrics. With a few exceptions.

[Impulse]

punk rock, they sing the lyrics. With a few exceptions.I suppose you are correct.
There is something I would like to add to my previous post, but since it wouldn't be sensible to edit my other post, (It would be wierd to do that... Considering it would look like I said noclue2 was correct before he stated what I answered to.) I will state my opinion below.

I think anything with amplified useage in it should have the word, 'Rock' after it because afterall, Rock is pretty much based on guitars... It wouldn't seem like Rock if only drums were being played.
In my opinion, for drums to be used for a Rock n' Roll (Rock) band, they need some sort of guitar to support what is being played. (Bass and/or Lead guitar)

I have seen some bands that were called 'Hip- Hop' use drums and guitars before. Outkast for example has both of those instruments in there band, so I would call there genre, "Hip- Hop Rock". - It might not seem sensible to you to be called Hip- Hop Rock, but in my opinion it is.

I mean, if they call this so called 'Punk' music Punk Rock, why not call Hip- Hop, Hip- Hop Rock?
If something has an electric guitar in it, I look at it as Rock.
They should make a new type of music... If they haven't already, to define the use of an acoustic guitar in a band. I accept an acoustic guitar used in a band to not be called Rock n' Roll, because silent and calming music created from an acoustic guitar isn't really jamming and making your ears bleed with an amplifier.

I think there is an exception for acoustic guitars used in a band to not be called, *Insert name of music* Rock. (*Insert name of music* basically would be the place you would put the type of music, such as Punk. Using Punk as an example, it would create the name Punk Rock.)

[ehntoo]

Ahh, but you see, the first punk music was created by, what else, but punks. They considered themselves to be rock bands, but people thought they were "punks"

Henceforth, the term "punk rock" was created. Now many people use the genres "punk" and "punk rock" differently, but they're really just the same thing.

[neosquall]

i dont like any of them. but if had to chose i would pick sum 41

[The First]

to add to noclue2, punk rock would simply be the rock music made by "punks", who considered themselves to be rebels against society. But since being a rebel is "in" nowadays, I don't know where to draw the line between a someone looking to be popular and someone who really doesn't like the way society is.

[neojay101]

:)

[Maxx128]

Yes... an Mozart is right next to Punk waiting for someone to come along and start a revolution so that it becomes popular again and spawn more people saying "oh this is punk that is punk what's not punk and you're all punk rock and I'm a goth... bla".

noclue: you're of low quality? And did you not read it completely (and did you miss the bold part)? Punk and punk rock are the same, low quality, rebellious, anti-social stuff (according to definition).

Calling yourself punk is calling yourself a prostitute for older men and a low quality one at that. If anyone says they're punk again, i will hold their perverted acts against them for the rest of their lives. I'll put it in my sig... really, i will! :)

It wants to be popular again? The whole reason some one started punk was for their own injoyment and didnt want to be judged popular or not. Punk is for anyone and doesnt want to be popular. Like Green Days song "Minority"For example.

[ehntoo]

*sigh* Punk... not what bands are now a-days... was never popular... nor is it now and I doubt it will ever be. And no... punk was not created for a person's own enjoyment... It was a rebellious movement against the flow of life...
And don't use Green Day songs as an example *shudders uncontrollably*

[Maxx128]

hey man theres nothing wrong with green day. And its not that bad of an example. I think it fits the situation perfectly.

[Ieattacos]

hmmmmm thats hard they both suck so much....... uhhh sum41 is better thou