Planet X Report

[The First]

PLANET X

In 1846 Neptune was found, and when it's moon, Triton, was discovered they were able to determine the size of Neptune. They discovered it was 2% larger than expected, which indicates that it is not large enough to perturb the orbits of the outer planets. They then began their search for another planet.
They then discovered Pluto in 1930, and finally in 1978 they discovered its moon Charon. It was also confirmed that Pluto and Charon together could not have cause the disarranged orbits.
They concluded there must be at least a 10th planet that has enough mass to disturb the orbits of the outer planets with its own gravitational field. This search is still in its early stages.
A well-known author, and interpreter, Zecharia Sitchin has helped scientists in their search for Planet X for many years. His study of the ancient Sumerian language has led to many discoveries about the planet.
It is believed that the ancient Sumerians astronomers had the knowledge of our solar system on a somewhat higher level then what we have today. This is apparent in the remains of their writings in tablets. They knew of the existence of all planets, the moon, and the "twelfth" planet, known now as Planet X, or Nibiru.
For some time it was believed that the orbit of Planet X was to come back around and come near our sun, and that would cause a "pole shift" which would, despite others belief's, cause the end of the world.
This was a radical thought. For the size of the supposed Planet X, it would throw off all the planets. Even Zecharia Sitchin, who says from the Sumerian tablets that aliens came from Planet X, says this will not happen.

[The First]

PLANET X

In 1846 Neptune was found, and when it's moon, Triton, was discovered they were able to determine the size of Neptune. They discovered it was 2% larger than expected, which indicates that it is not large enough to perturb the orbits of the outer planets. They then began their search for another planet.
They then discovered Pluto in 1930, and finally in 1978 they discovered its moon Charon. It was also confirmed that Pluto and Charon together could not have cause the disarranged orbits.
They concluded there must be at least a 10th planet that has enough mass to disturb the orbits of the outer planets with its own gravitational field. This search is still in its early stages.
A well-known author, and interpreter, Zecharia Sitchin has helped scientists in their search for Planet X for many years. His study of the ancient Sumerian language has led to many discoveries about the planet.
It is believed that the ancient Sumerians astronomers had the knowledge of our solar system on a somewhat higher level then what we have today. This is apparent in the remains of their writings in tablets. They knew of the existence of all planets, the moon, and the "twelfth" planet, known now as Planet X, or Nibiru.
For some time it was believed that the orbit of Planet X was to come back around and come near our sun, and that would cause a "pole shift" which would, despite others belief's, cause the end of the world.
This was a radical thought. For the size of the supposed Planet X, it would throw off all the planets. Even Zecharia Sitchin, who says from the Sumerian tablets that aliens exist and came from Planet X, says this will not happen.
Many believe this search is just in vain, but there is a group of astronomers called the "Zetas", www.zetatalk.com, say they even know the coordinates of planet x. However, the Zetas are well known believers of the existence of aliens.
There is an astronomer and scientist named Immanuel Velikovsky, a good friend of Albert Einstein, knew that a pole shift and a supposed encounter with Venus were both impossible. Albert Einstein and Immanuel Velikovsky discussed this many times.
Einstein said "However it is evident to every sensible physicist that these catastrophes can have nothing to do with the planet Venus and that also the direction of the inclination of the terrestrial axis towards the ecliptic could not have undergone a considerable change without the total destruction of the earth's entire crust."

[The First]

How would a planet near the sun cause a pole shift, if I may ask?... Unless the Planet is made completely out of magnetic material (and in the form of a horse shoe...? :D), I don't know how this could happen.

And to affect an orbit, wouldn't this planet x have to pass by all planets in one trip (Assuming that the Sun is the center of this Planets Orbit)? I remember the Voyager II Satellite took this trip along all planets. I don't know when they will line up the next time, but I remember that it will take a while.

You say that the Zetas are known for believing in Aliens, as if it were something that maks their theories less believable. What's wrong with that? Traces of life have been found on Mars (in the form of wormlike structures), if I'm not mistaken. Do you honestly believe that we are the only form of life and possibly intelligent life (however you want to describe intelligent, I know a good portion of our population is anything but intelligent)?

[Zeta_Riticuli]

Planet X, is supposivle so large, it will drag the earth's crust as it passes on its orbit around the sun, causing a pole shift, which is just the whole earth's crust shifting, causing probably the us to be at the north pole.

[Zeta_Riticuli]

Actually, weve never been to mars really so we dont know if they are wormlike structures or mountains of some sort. The lunar landing or whatever where we were supposed to land on mars failed, atleast thats what the government told us. Im not saying theres not aliens I said that about the aliens because for those who dont believe in aliens, will take what they say less literally. I left it up to the readers to decide, thats only half of the report anyways, i didnt have a disk to save it so i posted it here.

[The First]

There's a difference between "wormlike structures" and mountains. When I say "worms", i mean microscoping, fossilized creatures found in an asteroid/comet/meteor/whatnot that supposedly came from mars. But all of a sudden I'm beginning to remember something about it not coming from mars, I'm confused.

And thank you for the explanation of the pole shift, it makes pretty good sense. But if a pole change couldn't happen without the destruction of the earth's crust, how would the Sumerians know of this planet? Assuming it didn't pass by the earth, since that would have been the end of the sumerians and everything else... who knows, let's wait and see if it happens :D

[bobeta]

thats a very good report. I should know i am an 83 year old right out of college after all.

[Zeta_Riticuli]

i know, its pretty much impossible for a pole shift to occur, and if the crust did shift, the earth would also change how it spins, because of the friction probably between the crust and all the goodies underneith.

[Diamond187]

Actually, the Earth naturally flips poles once every ten thousand years (I think that's the period).

[The First]

Assuming the earth switches poles every ten thousand years (or whatever time span) and the earth changes the direction it turns, wouldn't the crust keep spinning since it's on top of the magma layer (similar concept as turning a glass and watching the water keep spinning)? Either that or the magma keeps turning, which would cause the crust to break apart and eruptions and earthquakes occur. That kinda sounds like the end of the world this Planet X will supposedly trigger... meaning life can't exist on this planet for longer than 10 000 years. Imagine that... at any given moment, you could be sitting in school, at work, or at home (or you could be having fun with random women!) and the crust begins to crumble and you (and your current random woman) could swallowed alive by lava. That would suck, now wouldn't it...

[Zeta_Riticuli]

PLANET X

In 1846 Neptune was found, and when it's moon, Triton, was discovered they were able to determine the size of Neptune. They discovered it was 2% larger than expected, which indicates that it is not large enough to perturb the orbits of the outer planets. They then began their search for another planet.
They then discovered Pluto in 1930, and finally in 1978 they discovered its moon Charon. It was also confirmed that Pluto and Charon together could not have cause the disarranged orbits.
They concluded there must be at least a 10th planet that has enough mass to disturb the orbits of the outer planets with its own gravitational field. This search is still in its early stages.
A well-known author, and interpreter, Zecharia Sitchin has helped scientists in their search for Planet X for many years. His study of the ancient Sumerian language has led to many discoveries about the planet.
It is believed that the ancient Sumerians astronomers had the knowledge of our solar system on a somewhat higher level then what we have today. This is apparent in the remains of their writings in tablets, which originated in the Bible. They knew of the existence of all planets, the moon, and the "twelfth" planet, known now as Planet X, or Nibiru. There has even been reports of it by the ancient Egyptians, Chinese, and Mayan also.
For some time it was believed that the orbit of Planet X was to come back around and come near our sun, and that would cause a "pole shift" which would, despite others belief's, cause the end of the world. The ancient Maya's predicted that on the winter solstice of what will be 2012 A.D. the world will end. That exact date would be Dec 12, 2012
This was a radical thought. For the size of the supposed Planet X, it would throw off all the planets. Even Zecharia Sitchin, who says from the Sumerian tablets that aliens exist and came from Planet X, says this will not happen.
Many believe this search is just in vain, but there is a group of astronomers called the "Zetas", www.zetatalk.com, say they even know the coordinates of planet x. However, the Zetas are well known believers of the existence of aliens.
There is an astronomer and scientist named Immanuel Velikovsky, a good friend of Albert Einstein, knew that a pole shift and a supposed encounter with Venus were both impossible. Albert Einstein and Immanuel Velikovsky discussed this many times.
Einstein said "However it is evident to every sensible physicist that these catastrophes can have nothing to do with the planet Venus and that also the direction of the inclination of the terrestrial axis towards the ecliptic could not have undergone a considerable change without the total destruction of the earth's entire crust."
New information about the masses of the planets shows that the are not perturbed, atleast thats what some claim. When the moons of the planets were found, they used them to determine the sizes of the planets. After better telescopes were made, they found the sizes to be 2% larger then their original predictions. They then thought the orbits must be perturbed, but once sattelites were made, and good mass records were made, the planets were .5% larger then the first prediction. It's now said because of this the orbits aren't really perturbed. Wether the orbits are really elliptical, will probably not be to our knowledge in the near future.
However, if they are elliptical, the "Planet X" may just not be a planet. Its possible that the supposed planet, is actually a brown dwarf, that was never hot enough to become a planet. It's also possible to be a black hole. We still do not know if there is such a thing as a black hole, or even a planet x.

theres the full report

[Diamond187]

Actually, the pole shifts slightly all the time, and after ten thousand years it has gone half way around the earth (hence why true north and magnetic north are slightly different, and will continue to grow in difference). I think this results from the slight difference in spin between the different layers of the Earth, the iron core at the centre spins at a slightly different rate, so the magnetic alignment slowly changes relative to the rest of the planet.

[Zeta_Riticuli]

actually, we dont know if the core is iron, weve never been able to get that far or anything

[Fiz]

"We still do not know if there is such a thing as a black hole, or even a planet x."

(this is a very long post...only read it if you are interested in learning more about black holes...I am doing a specialization degree in computational science (computational physics), so this information is joyfully shared for your reading pleasure)

That's not true actually. Black holes are a scientifically proven fact. There are many ways to prove that a black hole exists, and scientists have even pin-pointed the locations of such black holes.

A black hole is simply a remnant of a dead star. Stars can have different deaths...some go out quietly while others die much more violently. Throughout a star's life, it burns its natural "fuel" (without having to get into the chemistry of it all), and late in its life when the outside pressure is greater than the inside pressure, the star's temperature begins to increase, causing it to grow in size. Eventually, the star cannot grow anymore and gravity eventually causes the star to collapse. Depending on the star, it can either become a white dwarf or a neutron star.

A black hole is the result of a super-massive star not being able to maintain an equilibrium during its collapse, and because of this, it collapses to a point of "inifite" density, where all its mass is compacted into a single, tiny point. Imagine an object that has the mass of 3 of our suns, compacted into a point smaller than a spec of dust.

Like I said before, there are many ways to find black holes. A binary star system (where one star orbits another) can be sure sign of a black hole. Red giant stars (star that are growing and on the verge of collapsing) have been detected in the Universe that are losing mass to an invisible point in space next to them. We can actually see a swirling cloud of gas being pulled from the red giant, spiraling around a single point in space. This is a black hole. Black holes are seen "eating" other stars. Although black holes don't actually "suck in" matter until that matter passes the black hole's event horizon (the point of no return where the black hole's gravitational force kicks in), the gas from these stars are trapped in the pull of the black hole and cannot escape.

The reason light (or anything for that matter) cannot escape a black hole is because of the escape velocity. The Earth has an escape velocity as well, as does everything...people have escape velocities too, although they are extremely small. :) The larger the mass and the smaller the radius, the greater the escape velocity. Since black holes are points in space with all their mass compacted into a single point (radius basically zero), the escape velocity is infinite. Light travels at 300 000 km/s (or 670 616 629 miles per hour), and since the escape velocity is infinite, light cannot escape a black hole.

If a person were to enter a black hole, they wouldn't know it until they died. A black hole is extremely hard to detect with the naked eye. Light bends around the black hole and this effect can be seen from a distance. Stars that are behind the black hole appear to be in front of it. But if a person entered a black hole, the tidal effects would be vastly different on the person's head than on their feet (due to the large gravitational pull) and that person would be spagettified...the calculation as I did it would be equivalent to being tied by a rope upside down with an 8 billion kilogram weight tied to your head. (approximately 16 billion pounds). This is in a black hole 5 times the mass of our earth, which is a pretty standard black hole.

Anyways, aside from all this, the existence of Planet X has been disproven many times. Kepler's Laws of orbital motion, the mathematics of center of mass equations, and the known values of the masses of the planets (and our solar system) show clear evidence that the orbits of the planets around our Sun, and the slight wobble of the Sun due to these orbits (mainly Jupiter) prove that there are no extra planets in our solar system. Other planets around other stars are being found quite rapidly, however.

If anyone has any questions regarding physics or astrophysics, feel free to ask...I'm always glad to help anyone who has a passion for it or homework related questions. :)

[Diamond187]

Alright, two things quickly.

First, I've always wondered, if a black hole has an infinite escape velocity, what speed does matter approach it at? I'm sure there's something in general relativity to prevent this, but classically that matter should be accelerated well beyond the speed of light.

Secondly, just for clarification, there actually was a long period in history where people believed there was a 10th planet called Vulcan which was in a much closer orbit to the sun than Mercury. The story basically goes that, Neptune's (or maybe Pluto, or possibly both, I can't remember exactly) existance was theoretically proved long before the planet was actually observed because of irregularities in Uranus's orbit. Similarly, Mercury has such irregularities in its orbit, and so, physists believed that there must be a planet interfering with Mercury's orbit. People spent there life looking for the planet and a few spottings have been reported but none of the observations were repeatable and it became a very frustrating subject. Eventually, Einstein's theory of general relativity was developed and one of the miracle fallouts of his math was that Mercury should have an irregular, rosetta orbit with just the planets we have. Thus ended the myth of Vulcan. Except in Star Trek, where it's a reality.

[Fiz]

Okay, I should have been a little more clear, although my post was so long in the first place...hehe...I'll attempt to answer your question...lemme know if its a satisfying answer.

A black hole is simply a 3 dimensional "sphere" in space with three main components, which are the event horizon, the Swartzchild radius, and the singularity. In a black hole, the Swartzchild radius and event horizon are basically the same thing. Everything has a Swartzchild radius, but only black holes have an event horizon.

The outside of the black hole acts like any other gravitational body. The closer you are to that gravitational body, the higher the gravitational pull. Outside the black hole, gravity and all other forces act like they should in our physical world. We can calculate the amount of energy we would need to combat the gravitational pull of the black hole, or simply put, the force we need to exert to escape the pull of the black hole. The simplest way to do this is to use the formula g = GMm/r^2. The value of g would be the "gravitational pull" an object experiences at a certain distance r from the object. The smaller 'r' gets, the larger 'g' gets.

This means that any object moving towards a black hole without passing the event horizon could theoretically escape if it had enough fuel to accelerate in the opposite direction. It would be extremely difficult to do this however, since you wouldn't notice that you are near a black hole if you weren't paying extremely close attention. Once you get past a certain point outside the black hole, you're basically in it for the long haul.

Once an object reaches the event horizon, it can still escape if it can travel just barely above light speed. Its once the object passes the event horizon that it cannot escape. This is where our traditional views of physics get thrown out the window. Once we pass the event horizon (r = 0 in the formula g = GMm/r^2), we find that g is undefined, since we cannot divide by zero.

This is where things get really interesting. At this point, the environment is so warped that, in loose terms, space and time change roles. (Lets be careful here, this is just a simplistic view of what could be going on). This means that, if for some reason you could survive the tidal forces, your time would become space. That means that since normal time travels in one "direction" (forward), your version of space would travel forward and only forward. This means you would not be able to stop yourself from traveling towards the singularity of the black hole. Time becomes space, which in essence is infinite. This is why a black hole is seen as an infinite well. If you could live inside it, you would travel towards the event horizon but never reach it, because the "time" it takes to travel there is infinite. Weird, no?

This is the easiest way to explain what's going on using our normal views of Newtonian, Keplerian, and Relativistic physics without going into nasty formulae and ridiculous circular arguments. :)

[Diamond187]

Alright, that makes a little more sense, but just as a final kind of conclusion note, what would be the final velocity of an object before it breached the event horizon?

[Fiz]

Good question. The answer is pretty simple if you look at the basic theory, but it gets really complicated when you go into relativistic theory. In fact, there really isn't a true answer to this question, but two possible answers.

Remember how I said that we can use the formula g = GMm/r^2 to calculate the gravitational force exerted by a black hole, and how the value of r is the distance between the object and the black hole? Well, as the object gets closer and closer to the event horizon, the value of r decreases, which increases the value of g.

If we increase the value of g, we are increasing the escape velocity, which is the velocity required to escape from the gravitational pull of the body attracting you. For Earth, this is 25 000 mph (11 000 km/h). For a black hole, the event horizon describes the point of no return where the escape velocity is greater than the speed of light. This means that right before the event horizon is breached, light can still hang around unharmed, so to speak. The escape velocity right near the event horizon is approximately 99% of light speed. At the event horizon, it is equal to light speed. Past the event horizon it is greater than light speed.

I would then expect that the velocity observed right before the object passes the event horizon is opposite of the escape velocity. Remember Newton's 3rd law - for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. That means, that right outside the event horizon, the velocity would be 99% of light speed.

This isn't entirely true. Relativity kicks into high gear here, because the velocity of the object depends on the observer. If the observer is in the space ship right before the black hole is breached, they would experience a velocity that is 99% of light speed. An observer watching from a distance would actually see the space ship slowing down as it reaches the event horizon. Once the event horizon is breached, the distant observer would see the space ship frozen in time. (Remember, this is because space and time flip roles inside a black hole, so that person's time would become space. Stationary space doesn't move, so time wouldn't move in this case, according to the outside observer.

So to answer your question, the velocity depends on the point of view...both are right, but its a tricky area to tread on. :) Its a tricky question, now that I think about it. ;)

Just remember that a black hole is no different gravitationally from any other object of the same mass - on the outside of the event horizon anyway. The tidal forces of a 5 solar mass black hole would be the same as the tidal forces from a 5 solar mass star.

[Diamond187]

Hehe, I see. And you thought we were at the same level...

[Fiz]

Hehe, well, black hole physics is my specialty...I pieced together the missing parts away from school. That doesn't mean we can't have great discussions about alternate dimensions and other weird stuff...hehe...

Also, I only know physics really well...I know squat all about chemistry, and some of biology.

[Diamond187]

Ah, I see, well I'm going for as much of a hybrid of chemistry and physics as I can. Have you ever done any statistical mechanics? A lot of that relates to chemistry, although I guess, so does nuclear physics to a certain extent.

[Fiz]

Nope, I've only done computing science courses, regular physics and astrophysics.

[Diamond187]

Oh, well you must have at least come across elemental spectrum lines then, they use those to identify the composition of stars, right?

[Fiz]

Yessir...I did that 3 years ago, so its a little fuzzy, but I do remember that stuff.

[bionic_2100]

there have been pole sifts in earth history before so um yeah...