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DemonDays
09-02-2009, 04:21 PM
'Boys 'wanted to blow up school'


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46310000/jpg/_46310060_6161f7c8-9976-4480-8a5a-412a814b7183.jpg Matthew Swift is a former pupil of Audenshaw School

Two teenagers planned to blow up their school in a massacre timed to coincide with the anniversary of a massacre at a US school, a court has heard. Matthew Swift, 18, and his friend, Ross McKnight, 16, of Denton, Greater Manchester, deny conspiracy to murder and conspiracy to cause explosions.
Manchester Crown Court heard they plotted to blow up Audenshaw School 10 years after the Columbine tragedy.
A teacher and 12 students died at a school in Columbine, Colorado, in 1999.
The court heard the pair became obsessed with the massacre on 20 April 1999, and wanted to emulate the actions of the two killers - Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris.
Their two targets were a shopping complex, Crown Point North, and Audenshaw School where Mr McKnight was still a student and Mr Swift a former pupil, the court heard.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46309000/jpg/_46309545_audenshaw_226pa.jpg The jury was told the boys planned to murder teachers and pupils

The pair were arrested in March.
Peter Wright QC, prosecuting, said to the jury: "It is the prosecution case that these two young men sat in the dock had planned to copy and emulate the actions of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, here in the UK."
The court heard Mr McKnight and Mr Swift had agreed to detonate a bomb at Crown Point North as a diversion before driving to their school, murdering teachers and pupils and then killing themselves.
Mr Wright said they were also fascinated by the Oklahoma city bombings, carried out by Timothy McVeigh in 1995, which resulted in the deaths of 168 people and injuries to 450 others.
Mr McKnight wrote an essay about a fictional massacre at a school in Audenshaw in which ten people died and hundreds were hurt.
'Greatest massacre'
Mr Wright said: "The 10 people (were) killed by the one person who had some sort of grudge against the school or some sort of grudge against people who went to school.
"The evidence, you may think, this was not a piece of creative writing, this was an explanation of the state of mind of that young man."
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif We will walk into school and at the end of it no one will walk out alive ...after we have finished in Audenshaw we will have to kill ourselves there and then http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


Ross McKnight's diary entry

Eighteen months after the essay was written, Mr McKnight rang a friend when he was drunk to tell her he loved her and that "he couldn't wait until April 20 - the 10th anniversary of the Columbine High School massacre".
The jury also heard the defendants wanted to adopt the personas of the Columbine killers by using their nicknames or alter-egos.
Entries from Mr McKnight's diary included talk of "Project Rainbow's" official start day in November 2007.
In the diary he spoke of the "greatest massacre ever" and killing thousands of people.
"We will walk into school and at the end of it no one will walk out alive... after we have finished in Audenshaw we will have to kill ourselves there and then."
Mr Swift had been given an "exclusion order" banning him from Crown Point, which sparked his resentment, the jury was told.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46307000/jpg/_46307646_bomb_denton_226.jpg Crown Point North was one of the boys' targets, the prosecution said

After police arrested him they found a plan of his former school and a manual with instructions on ingredients to use in explosives.
A diary was also recovered in which Mr Swift talked of his unhappiness and railed against life in general, Mr Wright told the jury.
It contained notes on the Columbine massacre and pictures of Klebold and Harris taken from CCTV footage of their attack, which Mr Swift described as a "beautiful image".
Photographs of two other people who carried out school massacres - Finnish student Pekka-Eric Auvinen and Virginia Tech killer Seung-Hui Cho - also featured.
Swift wrote: "I do not consider myself to be normal, come to think of it I do not think of myself as human."
Another entry read: "I will complete Project Rainbow, I will show no mercy... I will make history."
The trial continues.


From BBC News. Shocking really, how these two can take inspiration from the Columbine massacre is beyond me.

Dragon
09-02-2009, 04:54 PM
Not really shocked. In fact.. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. There are a lot of screwed up people by my standards in the world.

Guerilla
09-02-2009, 07:04 PM
Hah, wow. Pretty sad, people are trying to emulate that kind of crap.
Those kids wouldnt even be able to build a big enough explosive to take out a shopping center or whatever that big block was. Guys at Columbine only had pipe-bombs.

Really kind of sad that people can look up to somebody like that.

Trask
09-02-2009, 07:55 PM
Hm...this is something that I don't hear about everyday...

Grunteh
09-02-2009, 08:16 PM
tl;dr, Two kids wanted to blow up a school and a mall. They got in trouble for thinking.

Also, this has to be old, because the 10th year anniversary already happened.

Eidolon
09-02-2009, 08:44 PM
ITT: thought crimes.

Why isn't tolkien in trouble for conspiring to kill thousands of orcs in that one journal?

cadaver999
09-02-2009, 08:50 PM
They took my plan, abort!!!!

Well, atleast they got stopped.

DarkReality
09-02-2009, 09:11 PM
conspiracy to cause explosions.

Best sounding criminal charge ever.

ITT: thought crimes.

I think there's a bit of a difference between thinking of doing something and actively planning to murder someone.

Shocking really, how these two can take inspiration from the Columbine massacre is beyond me.

Desensitivity and a desperate cry for attention.

Sebian
09-02-2009, 09:21 PM
Not really shocked. In fact.. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. There are a lot of screwed up people by my standards in the world.

Exactly.

Hence, People=Shit.

But still, on-topic, I'm also surprised this doesn't happen too often. Lots of ####tards in the world.

And the mothers think VIDEO GAMES could be possibly doing this! Anybody with a brain can obviously tell when a video game is getting to their child's mind and they can have the power to take the games away.
It's not video games, it's, frankly, your son's a sick ####.

Eidolon
09-02-2009, 09:45 PM
I think there's a bit of a difference between thinking of doing something and actively planning to murder someone.


I could explain the percieved difference, and then explain how it's not really there, but it's late and I'm lazy. The tl;dr would go something like, I've planned to get rich and famous in 2 weeks, but it would not be wise of me to spend millions of dollars today based on my plan that I'll execute tomorrow. More specifically, it would not be wise for someone else (the government) to spend millions of dollars based on the assumption that they will make millions of dollars off of me.

e p
09-02-2009, 10:14 PM
And the mothers think VIDEO GAMES could be possibly doing this! Anybody with a brain can obviously tell when a video game is getting to their child's mind and they can have the power to take the games away.
It's not video games, it's, frankly, your son's a sick ####.

I don't think anyone stated video games as a motive for this.

luthor13
09-05-2009, 02:22 PM
They need therapists.
I enjoy school a little.
Except homework >.>

ckool5000
09-05-2009, 06:01 PM
And THAT'S why you shouldn't write those type of thoughts in a diary without erasing them.

Gunman1028
09-05-2009, 07:59 PM
don't go blowin' up schools , dam it!

swatdude
09-05-2009, 09:44 PM
Blows me away that they would even thinks such a thing. <.<
I notice that there is absolutely no mention of them having any actual material for that planned massacre. From what I can understand, that such thinking normally result in an intervention from the justice system if there is proof to back up such. I mean, everybody will at some point think up of ill deeds to another, maybe to an extent that it is written down.

However, with this case, do the boys even have the actual materials to carry out such plan? If not, then the most that we should do is hand them over to therapist (I don't think that would work).

Eidolon
09-05-2009, 09:51 PM
However, with this case, do the boys even have the actual materials to carry out such plan? If not, then the most that we should do is hand them over to therapist (I don't think that would work).

Even if they did have actual materials for it, why is it okay for a group of people to piece together this grand plot and then speculate the the boys might have done it eventually?

If someone owns a handgun, and writes stories about pschopaths who go on rampages, that doesn't mean that you need to arrest the man for conspiracy to commit murder. The legal system really isn't the place for someone to write their own Choose Your Own Adventure story. I own potassium hydroxide and bleach, but that doesn't mean that I'm conspiring to make GHB.

swatdude
09-05-2009, 10:11 PM
Except the boy's story isn't about psychopath going around killing people in a random location. Their story is based around the location of their school, time coinciding to Columbine Massacre. Their motive is there along with obsession of school massacre and terrorism. It's not a chance we should be willing to risk, since all these signs are too connected to be a mere coincident.

People who actually writes such book with no intention of doing such normally do not have motives, materials, behavior, obsession, and content of their book so well interconnected as these boys (in which in the boys' case, minus the material).

Now the problem with this case though, is that the material is never mention, hence I assume that no such material is there for the boys to actually carry out their plan. Such as such, you can't charge a man with attempted murder if he has no necessity nor an ability to carry out such plan.

Mikeh
09-06-2009, 12:27 AM
And THAT'S why you shouldn't write those type of thoughts in a diary without erasing them.

If the government is going to continue the charade of "having rights", these two should go unpunished. Therapy sessions, maybe. Maybe.

Unless of course, there is any hard evidence of trying to engage in these plots. I.E. Buying weapons, chemicals, etc.

luthor13
09-06-2009, 06:37 PM
I wonder if he was going to kill all of his friends to. Shame.

DarkReality
09-06-2009, 07:50 PM
If the government is going to continue the charade of "having rights", these two should go unpunished. Therapy sessions, maybe. Maybe.

Not to rain on your little anti-Obama Parade, but it's not the government that decides who is and isn't guilty.

Guybrush Threepwood
09-06-2009, 11:42 PM
If the government is going to continue the charade of "having rights", these two should go unpunished. Therapy sessions, maybe. Maybe.

Unless of course, there is any hard evidence of trying to engage in these plots. I.E. Buying weapons, chemicals, etc.
Not to rain on your little anti-Obama Parade, but it's not the government that decides who is and isn't guilty.
Also, England.

DemonDays
09-07-2009, 12:12 PM
It's in Manchester. Gordon Brown is an idiot anyway, we didn't vote him in, he just took over 2 years into Tony Blair's term, he'll be out by the next election.

Guybrush Threepwood
09-07-2009, 12:24 PM
It's in Manchester. Gordon Brown is an idiot anyway, we didn't vote him in, he just took over 2 years into Tony Blair's term, he'll be out by the next election.
I'm American, dammit. I don't differentiate between these things.

DemonDays
09-07-2009, 12:30 PM
Don't worry, England is still correct. Manchester is in England which is part of the UK. Gordon Brown is the completely useless Prime Minister for now.

Guybrush Threepwood
09-07-2009, 10:25 PM
See? America's always right. (Whew!)

DemonDays
09-08-2009, 06:56 AM
Well, Gordon's useless but he's nowhere near George Bush.
Here, a show called 2DTV made fun of Brown just for being paranoid about Blair, and a bit boring. ("http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn7RV6m7v2w)
Bush was shown on 2dtv as all sorts, like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwaDNLU1f1g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn7RV6m7v2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jz4lr7v2T0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7_Ab5NQ6Rg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1tFeQeACuI
There's also loads of others.