London Bombings

[Woolfenstien]

From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/)

A series of bomb attacks on London's transport network have killed more than 30 people and injured scores more. There were three explosions on the Underground - which police said left 33 dead - and one on a double-decker bus in which an unknown number died.

UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, who has returned to London from the G8 summit, has described the attack as "barbaric".

An Islamist website has posted a statement - purportedly from al-Qaeda - claiming it was behind the attacks.


US President George Bush told reporters at the G8 Summit in Gleneagles that "the war on terror goes on."

The Queen said she was "deeply shocked" and sent her sympathy to those affected.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke said the blasts occurred between Aldgate East and Liverpool Street tube stations; between Russell Square and King's Cross tube stations; at Edgware Road tube station; and on a bus at Tavistock Square.


"We will not yield to these terrorists, we will find them, we will bring them to justice," he said.

Paul Woodrow, of the London Ambulance Service, is in Russell Square near the bus which exploded.

"At King's Cross station there is a rescue operation in the tunnel down on the line," he said.

"Although we cannot confirm casualties - it is too early - we are dealing with large numbers of casualties."

Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Brian Paddick confirmed 33 people had died in the blasts on the Underground. He said it was not yet known how many died in the bus blast.

In other developments:





The officer in charge of policing the G8 summit said many of the 1,500 Metropolitan Police officers in Scotland would be urgently redeployed to London

New Olympics minister Tessa Jowell said celebrations to mark the homecoming from Singapore of the successful London Olympic bid team have been cancelled

Pope Benedict said the blasts were "barbaric acts against humanity" in a message to the Archbishop of Westminster Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor

54 state schools were closed in Westminster

Mobile phone services across London were jammed with all major networks reporting problems as people tried to contact relatives and friends. A spokeswoman for Vodafone said the emergency services were being given priority.
Some 208 casualties were taken to the Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel, with 26 people admitted - 13 are in theatre and another three are in intensive care.

The city's St Mary's Hospital said it was dealing with 26 injured people, including four with critical injuries and eight in a serious condition.


Mr Paddick confirmed police were looking into whether the bus blast was the work of a suicide bomber.

But, he added: "It could as easily be an explosive device left on the bus as the work of a suicide bomber. We are not able to determine which it was yet."

London police chief Sir Ian Blair urged people to stay where they were and not to call emergency services unless it was a life-threatening situation.

He reassured the public that an emergency plan was in place and the situation was "steadily coming under control".

London Mayor Ken Livingstone, speaking from Singapore before flying back to the UK, said Londoners would not be divided by a "cowardly attack".

He said it was an "indiscriminate" attempt at slaughter with no consideration for age or religion.

All London Underground services have been suspended indefinitely and bus services in central London (Zone One) have been halted.

Early reports had suggested a power surge could be to blame for explosions on the Underground but this was later discounted.

Describing the bus blast in Tavistock Square, witness Belinda Seabrook said she saw an explosion rip through the vehicle.

"I was on the bus in front and heard an incredible bang, I turned round and half the double-decker bus was in the air," she said.

She said the bus had been travelling from Euston to Russell Square and was "packed" with people turned away from Tube stops.

"It was a massive explosion and there were papers and half a bus flying through the air." she said.

One caller to BBC Five Live said his friend had seen "the bus ripped open like a can of sardines".


Statement claiming London attacks



The BBC has located an Islamist website that has published a 200-word statement issued by an organisation saying it carried out the London bombings. The organisation calls itself the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda [literally the base] of Jihad Organisation in Europe.

The group not previously been heard of.

The website has previously carried statements purporting to be from al-Qaeda. It is not possible to verify such claims published on the web.

This is the full text of the statement.

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."

[Sam]

Boohoo....

[theryman]

Thats... horrible. Nothing else to say. Why would people do that?

[Woolfenstien]

One answer, theryman. Religion.

[Justin]

Or because they are phycopaths.

[Blixinator]

We shall always remember 7/6

[Woolfenstien]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4660563.stm
Photos of underground and overground bombings.

It's just terrible.

[Justin]

The officer in charge of policing the G8 summit said many of the 1,500 Metropolitan Police officers in Scotland would be urgently redeployed to London


Am I the only one that thinks this is a bad idea? Does anyone else think that this is perhaps the whole reason why they did this? To lure security away from the G8 summit?

[Woolfenstien]

It's half four here. I think the summit might've stopped as Blair is in his house.

[Justin]

I think the rest of them are still going on. Blair just came back to London. They may be done for the day, but I doubt the police will come back tommorow.

[Queen Lioness]

I heard about it on TV. Sick, sick people.

Though it may NOT be because of the G8 meeting (though that is a high possiblity). it may be because they just aanounced london is going to hold the 2012 olympics.

[Sperry]

I noticed that too. It seems the perfect time (strategically, that is) for them to do this- the police come back to London for relief and an attempt to restore order, and that leaves 7 world leaders up for grabs. Even though some of them are not "Crusader Governments", they'd just love to cause problems.

EDIT:

Why would it be because of the Olympics? It's not like England's never hosted.

[Justin]

Yeah, that seems jighly unliekly.

Plus, 8 bombs... G8.... seems somehow connected...

[Sperry]

It could very well be coincidental. But I doubt it- they've always got a reason. No one woke up on the 10th saying "I boom Big Apple".

[Woolfenstien]

The last time Britain hosted the olympics was in 1940 something. It's because of the war in Iraq, and because we are allies with the states.

[Sperry]

And, as they said, you were Crusaders. Ooh, scary.

[Woolfenstien]

Well, seeing that you think this is something to do with the G8,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41275000/jpg/_41275075_galleryprotester.jpg(G8 protestor)
Do not mess with the Brits.

[Sperry]

England is the #1 country ever- except they're not as good as they used to be. Stupid modern England. o.o

You know, he shouldn't be wearing ketchup.

[Queen Lioness]

uum, why are they protesting G8? I see nothing wrong with helping countries in need.

[Woolfenstien]

That's his head bleeding. And just a thought, snowman, if it wasn't for Europe, there would be no Americans, or Canadians for that matter. Just Red Indians.

[Sperry]

There are two types of protesting groups:

1) The people who are against the G8- anti-globalizationalists. They want no order, complete anarchy- no unity. Etc.
2) G8 enthusiasts, people who want this to work and want the leaders to get their butts in gear and get it done.

EDIT: Woolf, if there wasn't any human population in Europe, there'd still be non-native Americans (First Nations) in North America. It would basically be a mixture of pre-Spanish Mexicans (Atzecs etc) and east Asians. But still no Europe. :P

[Woolfenstien]

Exactly. Bush likes Scotland, you know (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4659235.stm).

[Jshall]

My heart goes out to everyone who lost somebody. Terrorism is a terrible thing.

This has to do with G8. Terrorists love all this anniversary and number play crap. These people are sick.

[Woolfenstien]

My heart goes out also. Terrorism is just plain sick stupidity.

[Woolfenstien]

Sorry for the double post, but Blair made a statement (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4659933.stm) earlier today about the bombings.

[Coheed]

Thats your opinion, as in terrorism is stupid. . Mine to.

[adapuff]

Thank god...my father was stuck in london, he got to work just before the bombing started. Hes coming back.

3 words to say,

I HATE TERRORISTS!

[Woolfenstien]

Chimpy lives near London... Hope he's Ok...

[King Lion]

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[Woolfenstien]

Go away. This is a serious topic. *adds to ignore list*

[Shadow Crest]

unbelievable, just unbelievable.
that's all I have to say.

[UnseeingEye]

I am ashamed that people would destroy life for belief in such a way. Taking life is always unhonourable, but taking innocent lives is just plain evil.

[ManUpstairs]

Dishonorable, unbelievable, imperceptible....truly sad.

[Rob97]

Ok Man this is how I feel.

No one touches my nation like that without a penalty. Spain backed out. bad choice, they should have stayed in. We need to stay. England needs to stay in. We need to stay strong. thats how I felt about 9/11. Were gonna load our guns, hop in our jets, and show these bastards who has the real bombs. No one ****s with the stripes!!! HOUGH! I really hope you feel the same way at England. The want to get back. To stand for whats right.

[DarkReality]

Bomb them? Oh yes, the "terrorist" nations. You do realize that the ones responsible most likely live in europe? Similar to the 9/11 bombers, of which the majority lived, studied and was educated (in flying) in Hamburg, Germany? These terrorist were most likely residents of some EU nation of another. Because quite honestly, it's far too easy to become one, if you ask me. So much for bombing them back. Good luck with finding that.

[DarkReality]

I HATE TERRORISTS!

And that's exactly their goal. So in that sense, congratulations Mr. Osama.

[ManUpstairs]

I think we need to stand up for what's right, but we shouldn't throw what they're doing right back in their face. That'd just make us like them.

[theryman]

But if we don't retaliate, don't strike back, whats to keep them from doing it again. Mr. Blair saying in a loud voice "Stop it" may work on dogs, but no with terrorists. If they see they can push us around, they will.

[Rob97]

Terrorists are *******s. You either agree, or your a terrorist ******* as well.

Dark, maybe you'd be as pissed as I was if a 9/11 happened in Germany.

I just want to get back... to point a big middle finger at the terrorists, and put them where the stand.

By the way, this is the attitude I was hoping Britan to have. I hope you do to Wolf:

"As Brits, we'll carry on — it doesn't scare us at all," said 37-year-old tour guide Michael Cahill. "Look, loads of people are walking down the streets. It's Great Britain — not called 'Great' for nothing." - Tour Guide

[DarkReality]

Who would you strike? I think putting some effort into finding them would be a start. I'd like to remind of the embarassment that Afghanistan was? Billions of dollars in bombs and The terrorist leaders supposedly hiding there are still alive. So I ask you, who would you bomb? Anyone in general? And you still ask why people hate America?

Terrorists work in small cells to prevent being noticed. You can't just blindly retaliate without knowing who to attack. Some more effort by the world's secret service agencies to find the terrorists is necessary. Until then, there's nothing we can do but sit around and try to prevent any disaster from happening by clogging up the streets with police officers.

And I'm a terrorist if I think terrorist aren't (insert however many stars here)? We've got our definition of terrorist real nicely down. And put them in your place? Your above them? So let me get this straight: your american, so you're allowed to invade whoever the hell but anyone who attacks you obviously does the wrong thing? Do the world a favor and either jump off a cliff or glue your mouth shut. And no, I wouldn't be any more angry if a terrorist attack happened here, even if it happened to people who were close to me. I'd be just as rational about it and realize that you need to know who to attack before doing so, because surprise surprise, attacking Afghanistan and Iraq did jack**** to prevent any other terrorist attacks from happening world wide. And the only reasons they haven't happened in america is obviously the ultra-tight security on one hand but the unnecessity on the other. America's doing enough to make themselves the laughingstock of the world right now.

[theryman]

The point of terrorists attacks aren't to make someone the laughing stock of the world- we aren't all laughing at England right now going, 'Haha, you got owned.' Everyone is pissed.

Just because the U.S. isn't being portrayed in a 'good' light, does not mean that there will be no terrorists attacks. If being the laughingstock means not being attacked, I'm sure every country in the world would want that position.

Some more effort by the world's secret service agencies to find the terrorists is necessary.
If you can claim to know the workings of every major country's secret service, then you would have the right to say that. Most of the crpa that they do aren't known to the public- I mean, what was your countries most recent spy operation? I don't know the wrokings, either, but most likely a good number of men are tracking terrorist movement.

So I ask you, who would you bomb? Anyone in general?
Like I said, we *probably* have a lot of men tracking where the terrorists are, but they aren't infallible. I mean, we bombed the palace the Sadam was heading for, not the one he was in!

Do you think the pilots the flew over Afganistan just dropped bombs willy-nilly? They used the intelligence that they had, made smart, educated decisions, and pinpointed where Osama probably was. There are thousands of miles of mountains in afganistan, no limit to where he could hide!

[Sperry]

Quite the heated topic. What you must understand is that retaliation to the terrorists will not stop them as long as they can do any damage. They don't care if they die for the cause. Sure, it may end up in God knows how many years that the worst terrorist damage is stealing lollies, but that's a long way off. They consider non-terrorists (i.e, NA/Europe) the enemy, and to anyone the enemy is evil. Do you honestly think they "know" they are "wrong"? In their opinions, "their" cause is divine and right. As is "ours", from a certain point of view. So if you kill them, if you destroy them utterly- they won't think you're "stooping to their level"- they think their level is well above your own now. Thusly, you stoop lower, needing more retailiation for their cause, so they do more "barbarism".

[Jshall]

Ok so in the world according to Dark (which is perfect cause he knows everything) what is the UKs ideal responce? Sit on their ass and do nothing? Try and be nice to the terrorists who swore to kill us all if they can?

Also, Id like to know how you'd like us to deal with terrorism in general? Since you are always oh so quick to criticize any nations move to fight it.

[Solean]

We really are taking the wrong approach, really. Relief is fine, recovery is fine, but hunting every deluded fanatic to the death? Hasn't it occured to people that only the top level is anti-america and terror-wanting, and most of the rest of the members of these organizations are brainwashed by religious talk? If they can brainwash, so can we.

All the while, the marines are saying all these god-loving comments, and it really makes the Arabs feel like the Americans are going on some crusade against them.

[DarkReality]

what is the UKs ideal responce? Sit on their ass and do nothing? Try and be nice to the terrorists who swore to kill us all if they can?

Also, Id like to know how you'd like us to deal with terrorism in general? Since you are always oh so quick to criticize any nations move to fight it.

I knew that at least one dimwitted moron was going to ask me this, because some people are just too stupid to make a logical conclusion.

I wouldn't go out and bomb the first best country, I would attempt to find the ones responsible. And by responsible I mean the terrorist leaders. More funding in secret service, a more subtle approach to everything. Of course the UK shouldn't ignore it. That works when the school bully wants to tease you, not when people are dying. But taking america's approach and thinking "Osama is responsible. Osama is in Afghanistan. We must bomb every square foot of Afghanistan" is wrong on so many levels. Terrorism is a new type of warfare, as everyone's successfully noticed, but there are still too many people wanting to take an old-fashioned approach.

Of course I know nothing about the way a secret service works, so I can't give you any perfect plan as it would work in my perfect world. Because I obviously know everything,


If you can claim to know the workings of every major country's secret service, then you would have the right to say that. Most of the crpa that they do aren't known to the public- I mean, what was your countries most recent spy operation? I don't know the wrokings, either, but most likely a good number of men are tracking terrorist movement.


There's that little adjective "more", which says oh so much. Doesn't it? Bombing didn't work. Obviously. So there's a better way. That was merely my suggestion because short of nuking every living being, I can't think of an effective and easy method. Maybe giving them what they want and listening to them would help. Terrorists don't kill for the fun of it, they DO have motives, at least nearly all of them. Sadly, there are some who simply hate the "west" with a passion. For reasons unknown and irrelevant.

Of course brainwashing them sounds fun as well. That's worth a shot. More than unnecessary killing.

[Swas]

Im not going to add to the "Bomb The ****ers" arguement. One of my friends was in a staying very close to one of the explosions, i havent heard anything from them i just hope theyre o.k.

There was some guy on the news from somewhere like iraq (great info) who said a very valid point, in iraq things like this happen almost every day, there have been far greater fatalities over there. While in some ways i agree, i feel strongly action needs to be taken, but theres nothing we can do.

Good luck to anyone injured, And sympathy for those who have lost loved ones.

[Gerbil!]

One answer, theryman. Religion.



Correct. They do it for the religion. They believe in some cave and think theres some sicko god that will give them commands. Thats like saying my soda bottle is my god. Thats retarded. Also London got the olympics. They had a terrorist plan to bomb the city that got the olympics. They also think Osama Bin Laden is still alive (which he is not) and Saddam Hussein thats not in jail. They hate us. Were peaceful into war. They hate us were superior to them. If we all go into the war they wouldnt last for 3 days. We cant stop. We must unite and kill them. We have had enough. Its time to do something about it. If we dont do something about it we WILL get bombed. We MUST do something or get BOMBED. I dont know what ill do if this happens again and we dont do anything about it. They killed my cousin..... I got the phone call 10 minutes ago.....

[DarkReality]

I don't know whether to call you nuts or to laugh... the sarcasm may have flown a bit over me.

Sorry about your cousin.

[denacioust]

We shall always remember 7/6

Ummm, I think you mean 7/7


Correct. They do it for the religion.

No, they're trying to get troops out of Iraq. Thats why they bombed Spain and Spain cowered and withdrew their troops, so they bombed England. Italy and Denmark are next.

Yeah, that seems jighly unliekly.

Plus, 8 bombs... G8.... seems somehow connected...

Only 4 bombs.

I worked this out though on my phone, cause I was bored.
9/11 happened in 2001(or 2002) and then 911 days later the bombings in Madrid happened and then 484 days later these bombing happened. So, you see 4 when typed on a phone gives the letter G so the days after the Spanish bombing is G8G, G8?


uum, why are they protesting G8? I see nothing wrong with helping countries in need.

No, they're protesting FOR the countries in need, trying to persuade the leaders.


That's his head bleeding. And just a thought, snowman, if it wasn't for Europe, there would be no Americans, or Canadians for that matter. Just Red Indians.

There also would be almost none of the amazing technology we have nowadays.


Bomb them? Oh yes, the "terrorist" nations. You do realize that the ones responsible most likely live in europe? Similar to the 9/11 bombers, of which the majority lived, studied and was educated (in flying) in Hamburg, Germany? These terrorist were most likely residents of some EU nation of another. Because quite honestly, it's far too easy to become one, if you ask me. So much for bombing them back. Good luck with finding that.

Yeah, also those directly responsible probably died in the explosions, unless they used some fancy triggering devices.

Terrorists are *******s. You either agree, or your a terrorist ******* as well.

Dark, maybe you'd be as pissed as I was if a 9/11 happened in Germany.

I just want to get back... to point a big middle finger at the terrorists, and put them where the stand.

By the way, this is the attitude I was hoping Britan to have. I hope you do to Wolf:

So, I'm a terrorist just cause I can understand where terrorists are coming from. We're getting all up in arms over this because its so close to home for many of us when these terrorists do this all the time within their own country and its not even in the news. The Americans bomb them much worse than they've bombed us.

But, you can't just bomb terrorists, its not like they have a big building saying "terrorists 'r' us" on the front, if we go bomb them, we'll kill innocent people, and then that'll make more terrorists who will retaliate, theres no real easy answer to what to do with terrorists, thats why Bush gets such a hard time for going to war with Iraq, if he hadn't people would be complaining that he hadn't, its damn near impossible to know what to do.
We can't just sit back and forget about it or we'll be letting our own people down and we can't retaliate or we stoop to their level.


Correct. They do it for the religion. They believe in some cave and think theres some sicko god that will give them commands. Thats like saying my soda bottle is my god. Thats retarded.

They believe in a cave? This is a very retarded opinion of whats going on. These people believe in the same religion that millions of anti-terrorists believe in. They have a strict religion, thats based around Muhammed a regular man who walked the earth and who communicated with God, God told him what to do, in a cave. Muhammad wrote these things down and told them to the people. This is what these terrorists think they are doing.


Also London got the olympics. They had a terrorist plan to bomb the city that got the olympics. They also think Osama Bin Laden is still alive (which he is not) and Saddam Hussein thats not in jail. They hate us.

And what exactly are you basing this on? Why would they care about the olympics? When did Bin Laden die?
We MUST do something or get BOMBED. I dont know what ill do if this happens again and we dont do anything about it. They killed my cousin..... I got the phone call 10 minutes ago.....

You don't exactly seem to be broken up about it. Why are you on he internet?

[Sperry]

Yeah, also those directly responsible probably died in the explosions, unless they used some fancy triggering devices.Not necessarily. Sure, they could have been suicides, but there are more ways to blow up a bomb than pressing the big red button on Saturday morning cartoons. It can be timed, for one thing. Go onto the train, leave something inconspicuous under your seat, it happens to be the bomb. So what if someone notices? They'll think you just forgot it. Probably happens all the time. It could be something no one would bother to touch/take, like a bag of diapers (clean, sickos). It's not like super uber government spies are the only people who don't have to die when they use a bomb.

[Jshall]

I knew that at least one dimwitted moron was going to ask me this, because some people are just too stupid to make a logical conclusion.

I was going to respond to your flame with another, but I figured whats the point I cant change anyones opinion but insulting them.

We must bomb every square foot of Afghanistan" is wrong on so many levels.
Bombed everysquare foot did we.... I seem to remeber that only 2000 troops were sent with air support only coming from helicopters that dont carry large enough loads to huge amounts of dammage. It was mainly a ground war searching for Osama.

I agree bombing random people isnt the best idea. It sucks that so many people have died for this "war". But who are we blaming here America.Why? because we merely fought back. We should feel anger towards the people who started this. But if you feel the need to blame America for every problem in the world go right ahead.

[The Prodigal]

There was a huge article in the paper, I fealt sick just reading it, because the writer was in the accident.

It's sick how people are killing each other like this.

[Karl]

My sympathies to England.

I hope some other countries don't hate us as much now that they've actually had an attack closer to them.

[Sperry]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050709/ap_on_re_eu/britain_bombings
LONDON - Three bombs containing sophisticated explosives hit the London Underground within less than a minute of each other, police said Saturday as a clearer picture emerged of the coordinated attacks last week that killed at least 49 people.

The bombs on the subway went off within a span of 50 seconds Thursday, suggesting detonation by synchronized timers rather than suicide bombers, police said, revising earlier accounts that the blasts occurred within a 26-minute span. An explosion tore through a double-decker bus nearly an hour later.

The explosions were so destructive that authorities haven't been able to identify a single body and were depending on fingerprints, dental records and DNA analysis, detectives said Saturday.

More bodies remain trapped underground, police said. Recovery crews were hampered by heat, dust and other "difficult conditions," Deputy Commissioner Andy Trotter of British Transport Police said.

Sir Ian Blair, commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said he expected the toll to rise but doubted it would reach triple digits. Many of the Underground tunnels are more than 100 feet beneath the surface.

Sophisticated coordination is a hallmark of al-Qaida, the terror network blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States and said by British officials to have possibly been behind the London blasts.

"A slightly different picture is emerging around the timing of these bomb incidents," Deputy Assistant Commission Brian Paddick said at a Metropolitan Police briefing on Thursday's bombings. "All three bombs on the London Underground system actually exploded within seconds of each other, at 8:50 in the morning."

The first bomb exploded at the Aldgate station in east London. Two more went off within seconds, they said.

Police said the bombs were composed of "high explosive" — probably not homemade material. Investigators said Friday that the bombs were lighter than 10 pounds each and could be carried in a backpack.

A fourth destroyed a bus near a subway entrance, killing 13 people, police said. The attacks came as

President Bush and other G-8 leaders were holding a summit in Scotland and a day after London was named the host city for the 2012 Olympics.

Forty-nine bodies have been recovered from the bombings but were so mangled that detectives have not been able to identify a single body.

"It is a very harrowing task," police Detective Superintendent Jim Dickie said. "Most of the victims have suffered intensive trauma, and by that I mean there are body parts as well as torsos."

More than 700 people from several countries, including the United States, were wounded.

In a British Broadcasting Corp. radio interview Saturday, Prime Minister

Tony Blair said investigators did not yet know who was behind the attacks but hoped to have more information soon.

He said he was aware of a claim of responsibility posted on the Internet by a group calling itself The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe. He said it was "reasonably obvious that it comes from that type of quarter" but not yet clear exactly which organization was responsible.

Little was known about the group, but a Web statement in the same name claimed responsibility for the last major terror attack in Europe: the bombs on commuter trains in Madrid in March 2004 that killed 191 people.

A second claim appeared on a Web site Saturday, this one signed Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades. The group, whose name evokes the alias of Mohammed Atef,

Osama bin Laden's top deputy who was killed in a U.S. airstrike in

Afghanistan in November 2001. But experts say the group has no proven track record of attacks, and note it has claimed responsibility for events in which it was unlikely to have played any role, such as the 2003 blackouts in the United States and London that resulted from technical problems.

Subway passengers around the capital remained wary on Saturday, a day after most of its lines reopened. Rider volume remained steady but light.

"Everyone's looking around a little bit more," said William Palmer, 23, a student.

At King's Cross station, near the site of the deadliest of the three subway bombings, Underground service was partially restored. Flowers and sympathy cards piled up outside honoring the dead — at least 21 were killed on the train bombed between King's Cross and Russell Square stations.

"Madrid is with London," read one card. Another said: "Everyone has gone to the best place, which is heaven."

In the interview, the prime minister also said it was crucial to address terrorism's underlying causes, which he identified as deprivation, lack of democracy and ongoing conflict in the Middle East and praised the calm way Londoners reacted to the bombings.

His countrymen, he said, "are simply not going to be terrorized by terror in this way."Well, there you have it. That stomps out suicide, I'd think.