A theory

[Casper42o0]

Ok heres the thing.. I am seeing a lot of fingers being pointed and stories being told of sertain players cheating to raise stats and no im not sayin any names. The point of this thread is to figure suttin out for myself.

Now.. is it possible to use two computers in the same house on b.o.b. with two differnt acounts to get easy stats?

I have been thinking about solutions to this as well

1:If this can be done with the same ip can a staff person / admin on the servers see the ips to prevent it?

2:If this happens when there are no admins online can the user names be linked to the ips when one is available?

3:If the player is smart has a laptop and a pc running off two differnt routers/ internet connections and two differnt ip's does this make them invincible to being caught?

Now I know the option of someone joining and leaving the game because they are trying to find the correct match setting or correct player they want to play can rule this out however..

I am not asking these questions so I myself can cheat so dont get the wrong idea however this theory of using two computers has been in my head and I see it as the only explination or the one and only way of cheating on this game. Now if it turns out my theory of using two computers can indeed work , can any of the three options I have showed to catch the cheaters work.. more so option 1 and 2 then option 3 obviously.

[xmrsmoothx]

Great. You just told an entire community how to get easy stats on an online game.

[Corrupted]

most people just do it with two people i think the thing to do would be show how many surrenders and victory's the person has.(and victory's by surrendering) that way they have no bragging rights to anything. unless the have barely any wins by surrender(or disconnection so like 4 or 5 wouldn't mean any thing but 70 or 80 would)

[Moonkey]

Surrenders aren't recorded separately, so there's no way to display them. Even if they were, it wouldn't stop people from closing their window instead, or using a guest account to surrender with.

[Shadowcasterx4ffc]

I'm sure you're not the first person to come up with this. I used this idea on Stick Arena (on my old account, not my new one), except you were actually allowed to be logged on three times on the same computer.

[Casper42o0]

You guys are missing the concept of this thread, I am asking if the admins can prevent people from doing what I had said. I am asking if the ips can be traced to the acounts. If the admins have this ability on the servers.

[Moonkey]

No, they don't.

[Corrupted]

no but we can ban them if we find out about them

hey monkey you ever gonna add perma bans

[Casper42o0]

how can u find out if u cant see the ip... i think the game creaters need to give u guys some more options... cuz all u can do is listen to he said she said bs and that means ur gonna ban people without knowin if it was true or not.

[Corrupted]

not true its not hard to find out about them (they are the ones bragging that they are all great but never defend it)

[Casper42o0]

in the end from the comments on this thread, the conclusion = as of right now there is no real way to catch a cheater on b.o.b. due to lack of evidence.


"You can always asume someone is a cheater.. but you can never truly know."

[Corrupted]

its VERY simple like i said they are the ones very ####y about their points but will always say something like "the points prove it". they try to avoid fights (plus we have a few trustworthy people in there reporting for us)

[X180XGilbertX180X]

and the admin can use other account n find them its not hard to say hey ill help u rank up if u help me if the try doing it then u switch names n ban

[Harv]

Well I have actually caught and provided evidence for 3 high ranking people in the space of an hour so I could upload and post the link as soon as they tried to deny it which all but one did. I clicked on the name to pm them but instead took 2 screenshots, one initially and then one 5 minutes later that showed how many times they disconnected in the time and by how much their points had increased.

It is possibvle to catch people cheating and people would notice if someone who barely plays got really high.

[Casper42o0]

heres a story,

one morning i was playing b.o.b, no one was realy online so I went to narwyn, for some reason its more alive then beldor in the morning sometimes for some reason i dont know why, anyway. I quick play a aponent., after waitin for him to click ready he doesnt, and i get the win, i go back to the lobby, my stats are raised a few points, i go back to quick play same thing happens two more times, then i finaly get a game started and the oponent surrendered, different opponent.

Point of this story, and yes its true, My stats were raising, I wasnt playing, well in a sense I wasnt playing but was indeed trying to, and for about 10-15 mins i was in and out that lobby like i was a delievery boy for a pizza shop, I could be called a hacker for this because of what you just said Harvir. Now do you see it threw my eyes, the fact that this could happen to anumber of people on a day to day basis.

Examples, Someone looking to fight one of their friends would surrender to get back to the lobby and you could get there at the same time and do the whole thing over with the same guy while he doesnt even want to play you just his friend but u keep gettin in the way.

Example2: My story, what had happend to me

Now my point still proven. Without an ip, you got nothing, sure you can get lucky , you can find out with assumptions if the person realy is cheating.. but what if that isnt the case, what if the player was going threw what I had gone threw, you are calling him a hacker because his stat raised in a matter of 10-15 mins 3 or more times and he was playing legitly and it wasnt his fault the oponenet didnt want to or wasnt going to. This isnt a rare thing to happen im 99.9 % sure its happend to all of you at one point.Its happend to me a few times dont deny it to try and ruin my point -.- cuz i know im not the only one.

[Casper42o0]

Edit: Just played a game, someone didnt click ready at the beginin cuz they disconected... my stat raised to 732.. Am I a hacker.. my stat raised while being away from the lobby for one min... you tell me -.- the player that disconected was lucifern. edit..: Had to remove some things said after this point.. felt the words were a bit to harsh... instead.. have a good 1 all =)

[aKaii]

Casper, what are you talking about..

[Casper42o0]

to put it simply, proving a point.Assuming someone is hacking/cheating to raise stats on b.o.b when all u have to go by is the fact that they were in and out of the server lobby repeativly and each time there stats got higher is complete bullcrap. If you read the 2 posts I have just made I think I have made it clear that saying someone is cheating because of that just doesnt cut it. And it sertainly shouldnt give them reason to ban someone from the game unless the person they are acusing truly is cheating which can only be proven by guessing such a thing and then the other person admitting it. Like I said at the very very begining... without an IP traced to the acount all you got is a guess.. and no proof. Now what b.o.b creaters should do to really prevent such a thing like cheating to raise stats is make it so the ip is viewable by a admin or someone with higher power in game. Because lets face it.. acusing someone of cheating, isnt the same as knowing that someone is cheating. My point has well been provin by now so I will no longer go on with this thread. If the b.o.b. creaters truly take pride in their game they will make what i said possible. Its not the most difficult thing to do.. plenty of other online games do it... for now. I rest my case. Good luck with ur assumptions on who is cheating and who truly is playing legitly. Because if all it takes is a simple guess from someone.. they might as well ban most of the people on the server.

[Moonkey]

Examples, Someone looking to fight one of their friends would surrender to get back to the lobby and you could get there at the same time and do the whole thing over with the same guy while he doesnt even want to play you just his friend but u keep gettin in the way.
That is what custom games are for. Quitting from a game straight away is wasting other people's time, whether you were meaning to cheat or not.

without an IP traced to the acount all you got is a guess
All that would do is tell you when someone is playing on two computers from the same IP. It does nothing about two people at separate locations that agree to build each others stats up. Plus it still requires judgment as to whether their short games were legitimate or not (two brothers playing from the same house would have the same ip, for example)

[Casper42o0]

hmm that didnt cross my mind either, however I think the ip would make it somewhat more acurate on the matter no?

however point taken moonkey. Do you have any better ideas as to catching people??

[Harv]

It is easy to mistake someone for a cheater but at times for example if someone disconnected with the same person 20 times in 2 minutes and raised 80 points and when trying to play them surrender straight away... it kind of makes it obvious.

[Corrupted]

yea that's a dead give away of one way to find them.