Ps3

[I.Like.Red]

I just played a PS3 for the first time ever, and wow, what a console.



The 2 games I played were Motorstorm and Resistance : Fall of man.
Both were absolutely brilliant, and they had amazing graphics, even on a sh*tty old television. The tilt on motorstorm was a lil... sensetive, but the person whose it is has gotten to grips with handling it delicately. The controller is basiccally a rip off of the 360 and Wii controllerss, with motion sensing AND raised shoulder buttons, which, in my opinion, are the best parts. The wii, I THINK has 3 forms of tilt, left, right and forward, but I definitely tink i'm wrong about this, I think they both have 6.
The web browser is fast, and you can stick in a USB mouse and keyboard, and it can play youtube videos, and ypu can also d/l new OSes on it, like Linux.
But, a few questions...

How many people can go online on halo on one game, and does xBox have any proper good looking games, other than halo etc. PS3 has a game called home, which looks truly awesome.

Thanks for reading, Red.

[Tanktunker]

Isn't cheaper to buy both a Wii and a 360 than a single PS3?

[Freddy]

It is with the new 360 price drop. Premium version now 350 bucks and with an HDMI port.

[Tanktunker]

Then I don't see any reason to buy a PS3 at all.
Blu Ray discs aren't exactly widespread technology, while HD is, and, well, the Wii is much more fun to play.

[Govenator]

no, it would cost you a little bit more to buy the wii and the xbox 360.
but I own a PS3, and i must say, I love it.
I can't wait till Lair comes out.

[I.Like.Red]

I am mainly getting PS3 for web browser and the game Home looks brilliant. I played the wii and... ehhh, I didn't like it so much. My brothers getting a wii, and the xBox games don't look innovative enough. Oh, another FPS. Great.If I get a PS3, the games i'm looking forward to are
LittleBigPlanet
inFamous
Assassins creed
Home
GTA4
This movie shooter, can't remember name.
Resistance (Mint, 40 player online!)
Motorstorm, and Oblivion.

[Sub0]

Also, the 360 tends to break down a lot. I also prefer the PS3. I just like the games more. The only game that I want for the 360 is Dead Rising.

[DarkReality]

It is with the new 360 price drop. Premium version now 300 bucks and with an HDMI port.

Goddamnit.

Here it costs 400 Euros still. STILL! That comes out to 543 dollars. Which is a joke. I hate the US >_>

In all honesty though, a PS3 isn't worth it. The ONLY thing that could justify it is the built-in Blue-Ray player. But until BluRay actually becomes the market norm, I wouldn't buy one. Otherwise you'll end up with a 600 dollar console and no more than a dozen bluray movies you can watch on it. Which isn't worth it. At all.

The 360 cranks out the same quality (I'm sure the PS3 could do more, but we're slowly reaching a point at which it simply isn't efficient to make games MORE graphically intense, which is why the PS3 will most likely fail in the long run as well), costs less, and has FAR more games that are worth it.

[I.Like.Red]

But, Blu-Ray is winning the 'Video war'. This is what people said about videos and DVD's. Aww, they'll never come out well, and look now. The largest movie maker has stopped making videos, soyeah. Also, has anyone seen home. Look's spectacular. Secondlife on PS3.

[Tanktunker]

Also, the 360 tends to break down a lot.
When you insulate the vent.

[Lumeh]

Goddamnit.

Here it costs 400 Euros still. STILL! That comes out to 543 dollars. Which is a joke. I hate the US >_>

In all honesty though, a PS3 isn't worth it. The ONLY thing that could justify it is the built-in Blue-Ray player. But until BluRay actually becomes the market norm, I wouldn't buy one. Otherwise you'll end up with a 600 dollar console and no more than a dozen bluray movies you can watch on it. Which isn't worth it. At all.

The 360 cranks out the same quality (I'm sure the PS3 could do more, but we're slowly reaching a point at which it simply isn't efficient to make games MORE graphically intense, which is why the PS3 will most likely fail in the long run as well), costs less, and has FAR more games that are worth it.
Its cheaper to rent it if you only want a certain game. I played Resistance and it was super, got in arguements of who did the most work because I distracted giant robots and whatnot. Actually, where I live, you can rent a PS3 for about 80 cents a day.

[Tanktunker]

Goddamnit.

Here it costs 400 Euros still. STILL! That comes out to 543 dollars. Which is a joke. I hate the US >_>
And I hate Europe.
Wii ~ 500-575$
360 ~ 1000-1250$
PS3 ~ 1100-1300$
I ####ing hate this country.

[game-bot]

o.O

Is that converted to USD, or is that in your currency? (@ Tank)

[DarkReality]

I am mainly getting PS3 for web browser and the game Home looks brilliant. I played the wii and... ehhh, I didn't like it so much. My brothers getting a wii, and the xBox games don't look innovative enough. Oh, another FPS. Great.If I get a PS3, the games i'm looking forward to are
LittleBigPlanet
inFamous
Assassins creed
Home
GTA4
This movie shooter, can't remember name.
Resistance (Mint, 40 player online!)
Motorstorm, and Oblivion.

600 dollars for a second life imitation in which you can mingle with the same people that pollute internet chatrooms? Right -_-

Assassin's Creed and GTA4 are both coming out on the XBox (which Ubisoft favoring the XBox in statements made earlier this year). So don't expect a difference in quality. Oblivion is also available on the XBox360. No difference in quality or gameplay there.

What you're missing out on is Splnter Cell Conviction, which could quite possibly redeem the Splinter Cell series and turn out to be an absolutely brilliant game, based on what's known about it at this point. And no Second Life clone could possibly match that, especially if they continue to improve their multiplayer gaming (which, up to this point, has rocked my socks thrice over).

So you're pretty much being cheated out of your money, really.

And I hate Europe.
Wii ~ 500-575$
360 ~ 1000-1250$
PS3 ~ 1100-1300$
I ####ing hate this country.

Are you ####ting me? The Wii costs 500 US Dollars in Israel?

Jesus Christ's you're being cheated :-/ I suddenly no longer feel so left out >_>

[masterburke]

ha sucks for them

[Tanktunker]

o.O

Is that converted to USD, or is that in your currency? (@ Tank)
USD :(

[I.Like.Red]

Oblivion is also available on the XBox360. No difference in quality or gameplay there.

What you're missing out on is Splnter Cell Conviction, which could quite possibly redeem the Splinter Cell series and turn out to be an absolutely brilliant game, based on what's known about it at this point. And no Second Life clone could possibly match that, especially if they continue to improve their multiplayer gaming (which, up to this point, has rocked my socks thrice over).


Actually, Oblivion has extra in PS3, a thing called Knights of the Nine.
Also, I hate splinter cell. I have no stealth whatsoever.

[DarkReality]

So your inability to play a game translates into a lack of innovation for you?

... right.

And I don't know if something that could pobably be added as a mod on the windows port would warrant buying a PS3, to be honest. Unless this is some sort of huge gameplay change (which I doubt, knowing the Elder Scroll's series...). And Resistance does NOT sound innovative; apart from new weapons, "new strategy" and a generic point system, it sounds a whole lot like every other FPS.

So yea. The PS3 has games you could easily replace on the XBox360. IMHO, of course.

[Freddy]

The 360 version of GTA4 will be better anyway because of the dowanloadabble content that'll be exclusive to the 360.

Only thing I really want to pay from Sony right now is LittleBigPlanet the new Rachet and Clank. Nearly everything else either doesn't apeal to me or is out on the 360 or Wii.

[Sub0]

More games for the PS3:

LittleBigPlanet
Lair
A BETTER UT 3 (PC and PS3 online play, together, plus keyboard and mouse support on PS3)
Home
Killzone 2
Heavenly Sword
MGS 4
Warhawk

The list can go on, but there is no point, those games alone is the reason I bought a PS3 (and of course a few non-exclusives), plus there will be a lot of future games coming out for the PS3 that will render the 360 obsolete.


Distant Future games:

GoW III- this game alone will make all 360/Wii games look like complete garbage. With the other PS3 games, Sony will OWNZJOO.

[Karl]

Overpriced #### is overpriced.

Honestly. I don't need to have played the PS3 to have an honest opinion in that respect. And from what I've gathered from others, XBL is way better than the PS3 online experience, and the 360 has a larger and more gratifying library of games.

The 360 did have some problems when it was first released, breaking down and such, but I believe it's been mostly fixed. For example, my 360 has never broken down, and it's only had the Red Ring of Death once, when I didn't connect my A/V cables securely.

[Sub0]

Overpriced #### is overpriced.

Honestly. I don't need to have played the PS3 to have an honest opinion in that respect. And from what I've gathered from others, XBL is way better than the PS3 online experience, and the 360 has a larger and more gratifying library of games.

The 360 did have some problems when it was first released, breaking down and such, but I believe it's been mostly fixed. For example, my 360 has never broken down, and it's only had the Red Ring of Death once, when I didn't connect my A/V cables securely.

More games for the PS3:

LittleBigPlanet
Lair
A BETTER UT 3 (PC and PS3 online play, together, plus keyboard and mouse support on PS3)
Home
Killzone 2
Heavenly Sword
MGS 4
Warhawk

The list can go on, but there is no point, those games alone is the reason I bought a PS3 (and of course a few non-exclusives), plus there will be a lot of future games coming out for the PS3 that will render the 360 obsolete.


Distant Future games:

GoW III- this game alone will make all 360/Wii games look like complete garbage. With the other PS3 games, Sony will OWNZJOO.



Quality is better then quantity.

[DarkReality]

Distant games that might be will make Wii games look like garbage? I'm sorry? Lets wait with claiming the PS3 exclusives will boast impressive quality until they actually show up, oui? And quantity does not mean that there's no quality. On the contrary, actually. They're not related in the slightest bit, considering the head start the XBox had.

You fail at grasping the concept of a great video game, really. My SNES may be obsolete by your standards, but your ultra-hyper-realistic racing games can't hold their ground to Mario Kart. Period. Your soccer players may be able to sweat and grab their crotch in real-time, but I'd still rather play Mario Strikers Charged. Just because the game is made of absolutely (and frustrating) win. Sure, it may be a matter of opinion, but a console will not be obsolete if it has quality games. And a single game will NEVER make an entire console obsolete. Or does your precious, nonexistant God of War III combine racing, fighting, puzzle, action, platform, and rpg genres? No? Oh right, you don't know jack about it yet, as it's tentative release date is 2009.

Which means that a PS3 will be worth it in a few years. Maybe. It's not like Microsoft's going to sit back and watch Sony catch up. And despite not being as graphically intensive or having as much sheer horsepower as competitor consoles, Nintendo's consoles always seem to stay, don't they? And oddly enough, they always have something that Sony felt the need to steal due to it's absolute brilliance. Just to step back to your "innovation" argument.

The 360 did have some problems when it was first released, breaking down and such, but I believe it's been mostly fixed. For example, my 360 has never broken down, and it's only had the Red Ring of Death once, when I didn't connect my A/V cables securely.

Microsoft's actually fixed none of the problems, or so I've heard :-/. I think the horror stories are a bit exaggerated, though. And there are repair possibilities within a plausible price range (at least around here).

[Sub0]

Distant games that might be will make Wii games look like garbage? I'm sorry? Lets wait with claiming the PS3 exclusives will boast impressive quality until they actually show up, oui? And quantity does not mean that there's no quality. On the contrary, actually. They're not related in the slightest bit, considering the head start the XBox had.

You fail at grasping the concept of a great video game, really. My SNES may be obsolete by your standards, but your ultra-hyper-realistic racing games can't hold their ground to Mario Kart. Period. Your soccer players may be able to sweat and grab their crotch in real-time, but I'd still rather play Mario Strikers Charged. Just because the game is made of absolutely (and frustrating) win. Sure, it may be a matter of opinion, but a console will not be obsolete if it has quality games. And a single game will NEVER make an entire console obsolete. Or does your precious, nonexistant God of War III combine racing, fighting, puzzle, action, platform, and rpg genres? No? Oh right, you don't know jack about it yet, as it's tentative release date is 2009.

Which means that a PS3 will be worth it in a few years. Maybe. It's not like Microsoft's going to sit back and watch Sony catch up. And despite not being as graphically intensive or having as much sheer horsepower as competitor consoles, Nintendo's consoles always seem to stay, don't they? And oddly enough, they always have something that Sony felt the need to steal due to it's absolute brilliance. Just to step back to your "innovation" argument.


LittleBigPlanet
Lair
A BETTER UT 3 (PC and PS3 online play, together, plus keyboard and mouse support on PS3)
Home
Killzone 2
Heavenly Sword
MGS 4
Warhawk

[mattz1010]

SZ's post does not attempt to explain why that puts the PS3 above other consoles. Simply listing games does absolutely nothing to validate your argument, without providing reasoning.

---

I'm really only interested in co-op games. Or games that have co-operative modes. Preferably FPS, though. Like Rainbow Six: Vegas, or Resistance: Fall of Man.
The spoiled brat (aka brother) in this house has a PS3, and I could care less for it. There really aren't that many great games.

[DarkReality]

Gee. I must have missed that list while reading through your last post! Thanks for reposting it. It obviously makes all of my comments false.

But just to humor you:
Lair - Unreleased.
Killzone 2 - Unreleased
LittleBigPlanet - Unreleased
Heavenly Sword - Unreleased
MGS 4 - Unreleased
Warhawk - Unreleased
Unreal Tournament 3 - Unreleased, nonexclusive (why the hell should I buy a PS3 if it plays on the PC as well?)
Home - currently in open beta (unless I'm mistaken).

So remind me again (this time without copying and pasting -_-), how you can judge the quality of these unreleased games? Or in other words, the PS3 has virtually NO games worth playing at this point in time? And all that you have are hyped up game previews about the excellence of these games, which will no doubt not live up to their expectations (as is the case with most games)?

Right. If that isn't a reason to get a PS3, I don't know what is.

[Freddy]

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the PS3 can deliver some really good games, but it's more than that for me.

I'll paraphrase what TBS once said.
You're still paying 600 bucks for a toy to play games on.
That's ####ing insane!
I can get the same enjoyment (probably more enjoyment actually) from the compitition. Until Sony does something about that price tag, I'm steering clear form it.

The 400 bucks for the 360 was bad enough. I'm glad they brought it down to 350. Hopefully by the time Fable 2 comes out (earliest expected date is Q3 2008) it'll drop down to 300. That's when I'll be getting it.

[game-bot]

Actually, Oblivion has extra in PS3, a thing called Knights of the Nine.
Also, I hate splinter cell. I have no stealth whatsoever.

Knights of Nine is an expansion pack that's included with the PS3 version. that means it's also available on the XBL Marketplace, along with other Oblivion Downloadables.

So, it's really the same thing(game) either system.

[The Brown Cow]

Actually, Oblivion has extra in PS3, a thing called Knights of the Nine.
Yep, and so does the version on my computer.


I'll paraphrase what TBS once said.
You're still paying 600 bucks for a toy to play games on.

Oh, I'm a TV station now? :)

But yes, that's still my opinion on the subject. No matter how shiny your graphics are, realistic your AI is, or even just how fun your games are - they're still just games. Toys for entertainment. And as much as I like being entertained, I have my limits on how much money I'll spend on it - eventually the guilt sets in.

[RocketSoldier]

Overpriced #### is overpriced.


It's not overpriced. It's underpriced. Have you seen the prices for blue-ray players?

[Tanktunker]

A BETTER UT 3 (PC and PS3 online play, together, plus keyboard and mouse support on PS3)

So, in effect, you're paying a for computer that hooks up to your TV?
OH SNAP, MY COMPUTER CAN DO THAT TOO, AND IT COST LESS THAN A PS3 5 YEARS AGO!

[DarkReality]

It's not overpriced. It's underpriced. Have you seen the prices for blue-ray players?

Oh not this argument again. If they added a nuclear reactor to it and priced it at 5000 dollars, it would still be cheap as #### compared to the nuclear reactor, but that doesn't change that I don't want a nuclear reactor and I refuse to pay 5000 dollars for only wanting a game console.

And that's the aspect we're talking about, the PS3 as a game console with too few exclusives that would make it worth it.

Besides, how many Bluray movies are out anyway? A dozen? o.O Not enough to make a 600 dollar PLAYER worthwhile? I think I'll wait three years (you know, when Bluray becomes the market norm and not a futuristic outsider who wants to compete with the dirt cheap DVD players that exist nowadays) and then get a bluray burner for 200 dollars, thank you.

[Tanktunker]

Who says Blu Ray will ever become the market norm?

[DarkReality]

No one. In fact, I've still got my money on HD-DVD, alone because Vista supports it and Sony refuses to let pornographic movies to be printed on Blu-Ray discs, and we all know how large THAT Industry is. >_>

So until someone wins, buying a PS3 for the Bluray function is a 600 dollar risk.

[Matt]

I am no longer sure of the price of the PS3. If it's more reasonable than ####ing $800 I'll get it.

[I.Like.Red]

Porn has chosen Blu-Ray...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135222-c,dvdtechnology/article.html

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2195330/sony-opens-blu-ray-porn

Also, Ninja Gaiden is a PS3 exclusive, and so is the new MGS. Those two games look pure own.
And about the guy who said

Game : Unreleased

You can tell they'll be good. What about the anticipation of GTA 4. No ones senn the gameplay (Apart from R*) But people are still looking forward to it...

[LizardRob]

And oddly enough, they always have something that Sony felt the need to steal due to it's absolute brilliance. Just to step back to your "innovation" argument.


Nintendo didn't invent motion sensors (or whatever they're called).

[I.Like.Red]

Yeah, Sony had the rights to the motion sensors.

[Joest]

Sony released the plans for motion sensors MONTHS after Nindendo did.

It was a ####ty, half-baked plan by Sony.

[LizardRob]

They didn't neccesarily steal the idea though. You said they Released the plans for motion sensors after nintendo, that doesn't mean they were never going to do it until the night before the release when they whipped up some quick plans.

[zippydaspinhead]

The so called exclusive games on the PS3 are all either considering or already have changed to multi-platform due to PS3's EPIC FAIL.

The only reason I would even THINK of buying a PS3 would be for MGS 4, which most likely will go multi-platform, if not on release date than later. As for HD-DVD vs. Blue Ray, Blue ray is in everyway inferior to HD-DVD. Look at the specs! The only thing blue ray has better is "uh..... we can store more?" YOU DON'T NEED THAT MUCH SPACE FOR A STUPID MOVIE!!!!! HD-DVD can hold less sure but it can take a hell of a beating. People have sanded them rough with sandpaper and they still played. Blue Ray, small scratch rendered disk inoperable.

My thoughts on PS3's Parent company (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20051104)

[I.Like.Red]

Also, PS3 has free online. Here, xBox live is £40 for one year.
I'm assuming the consoles will stay for about 7 years, as this is what happened with the PS2.

Sums : PS3
Console + a HDMI cable, extra controller & 2 games : 399.99
Online (7 Years): 0.00
Headset (xBox kit has one) : 14.99
Total = 414.98

Sums : 360
Console Xbox 360 + 20GB hard drive, wireless controller, ethernet cable, HD AV cable and headset : 279.99
Online : 40 * 7 = 280.00
2 games = Around 80.00
Total = 639.99

[Freddy]

No, Nintendo didn't invent the acclerometer (the stuff in the nunchuk and six axis), but they've been using it since the BGC with Kirby's Tilt 'n Tumble. THey've been thinking outside the box for a long while now.

Sony just takes a pre existing idea and tries to slap it on their thing. The ONLY Sony can take credit for is te dual analog controler setup, and the Eye Toy.

[zippydaspinhead]

No, Nintendo didn't invent the acclerometer (the stuff in the nunchuk and six axis), but they've been using it since the BGC with Kirby's Tilt 'n Tumble. THey've been thinking outside the box for a long while now.

Sony just takes a pre existing idea and tries to slap it on their thing. The ONLY Sony can take credit for is te dual analog controler setup, and the Eye Toy.
Dual controllers are now pretty much standard for good FPS games (unless you can shoot the screen like a wii) and the Eye toy doesn't work that well in my experience.

[I.Like.Red]

The PS1 copied the Snes. The snes has direction buttons, action buttons a shoulder buttons. ZOMG CONSPIRACY!

[LizardRob]

Also, PS3 has free online. Here, xBox live is £40 for one year.
I'm assuming the consoles will stay for about 7 years, as this is what happened with the PS2.

Sums : PS3
Console + a HDMI cable, extra controller & 2 games : 399.99
Online (7 Years): 0.00
Headset (xBox kit has one) : 14.99
Total = 414.98

Sums : 360
Console Xbox 360 + 20GB hard drive, wireless controller, ethernet cable, HD AV cable and headset : 279.99
Online : 40 * 7 = 280.00
2 games = Around 80.00
Total = 639.99



Genius. That means everybody who argues that XBox live is a good feature loses the point that it's also a cheaper console.

[The Brown Cow]

Uh, hold on.
Sums : PS3
Console + a HDMI cable, extra controller & 2 games : 399.99

Do extra controllers cost negative money or something? 'Cause I'm pretty sure the console by itself is more than $400.

[I.Like.Red]

Nope, amazon have this freaky deal, a single ps3 costs £399, and all that costs £399 too. I'll give you a link.

Ps3 by itself : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-Console-Premium-Version/dp/B0007SV734/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/202-5956025-6571853?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1187288009&sr=8-1

PS3 with added stuff : http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_43895865_1/202-5956025-6571853?ie=UTF8&docId=1000088283&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=special-offers-2&pf_rd_r=1VTFDREYD8Z97JJ60MMG&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=148346891&pf_rd_i=B0007SV734

[game-bot]

Yeah, Red, your little price thing is screwed up. How the HELL does the Playstation 3 along with two games(60 a piece) and an extra controller cost...400 dollars? Wrong.

EDIT:

Oh I get it, you're not talking in USD. discard my post.

[Freddy]

...those are in Euros...

[I.Like.Red]

No, they are in english pounds. £ <- Pounds, € <- Euros

[Freddy]

So that's like what in dollars?
399.99 = aprox 793.63 dollars

yeah that's rediculous.

[Tanktunker]

Nope, amazon have this freaky deal, a single ps3 costs £399, and all that costs £399 too. I'll give you a link.

Ps3 by itself : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-Console-Premium-Version/dp/B0007SV734/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/202-5956025-6571853?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1187288009&sr=8-1

PS3 with added stuff : http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_43895865_1/202-5956025-6571853?ie=UTF8&docId=1000088283&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=special-offers-2&pf_rd_r=1VTFDREYD8Z97JJ60MMG&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=148346891&pf_rd_i=B0007SV734
But the 360 isn't allowed to have freaky deals, I guess.

[Sub0]

So that's like what in dollars?
399.99 = aprox 793.63 dollars

yeah that's rediculous.

Cheaper then the XBox 360 (after you factor in online, all the extra crap you have to buy for the 360, etc.)

[I.Like.Red]

My point exactly.

And no, it doesn't look like the xBox has any freaky deals...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xbox-360-Console-wireless-controller/dp/B0007SV72A
K, maybe it has 2. But that's with 2 games, and after that the PS3 is still cheaper.

[Freddy]

well in the US the premium 360 is $350.
I don't know how much XBL is per year but I'll just guess at about $50 (correct me if I'm worng)

7*50 = $350

350 + 350 = 700
Looks cheaper to me.

[I.Like.Red]

But you're not adding in the games, headset etc.

[game-bot]

Premium includes headset.

Plus, I don't think many people would be using either service for 7 years.

[Tanktunker]

My point exactly.

And no, it doesn't look like the xBox has any freaky deals...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xbox-360-Console-wireless-controller/dp/B0007SV72A
K, maybe it has 2. But that's with 2 games, and after that the PS3 is still cheaper.
You're missing the point, when you cite numbers, you have to cite the list price, which isn't 0 pounds for 2 games.

[Sub0]

Premium includes headset.

Plus, I don't think many people would be using either service for 7 years.

WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A CONSOLE WITH NO ONLINE SUPPORT????? - Hitler

Why won't people be using it for 7 years? Since XBL is the "secon biggest online community" I doubt people will suddendly stop playing after the new XBox comes out. So you might even be playing for more then 7 years, which is a lot of money. Not like the PS3, where online is free.

[I.Like.Red]

Yes I can. I'll take the 60 dollars off of 360, and it's still alot more than the PS3. And I expect we will be playing either console for 7 years. Adding more hardware etc. will take a long time. Consoles don't just get churned out, developments are made. Software is always changing.

[game-bot]

Out of curiosity, what's the biggest online community?

[I.Like.Red]

Probably Pc...

[Joest]

Probably Pc...
No, XBox is.


And, people are willing to pay for what is better. Yeah, the PS3's online is free, but not many people use it and it sucks compared to the 360's.

[LizardRob]

I don't know how much XBL is per year but I'll just guess at about $50

It's £40 in England so $50 is a low guess. More like $75-80

No, XBox is.


And, people are willing to pay for what is better. Yeah, the PS3's online is free, but not many people use it and it sucks compared to the 360's.

Not many people use it, correct. I.Like.Red made his calculations fair by factoring in the headset ect. which come with the XBox.

[Sub0]

No, XBox is.


And, people are willing to pay for what is better. Yeah, the PS3's online is free, but not many people use it and it sucks compared to the 360's.

Why would you need to have thousands of people online when you only are going to play with 40, 30, or whatever the max is? I played Motorstorm and I could always find 15 racers willing to play. Same with The Darkness and Resistance. It doesn't "suck" compared to the 360's, sure it might be smaller, but that does not mean you can't play with others. You can't play with 100,000 people on a 40-player game.

Once Home comes out going online and playing will be much easier, plus you can display trophies, accomplishements etc. Looks like the PSN will be better.

[game-bot]

Lizard, you can buy XBL membership for a year for 50 USD, or 8 dollars a month separately(which ends up being about 100 dollars).

[Freddy]

I think the overall point of the thread is that if you live in the UK, videogame companies are ripping you off big time!
=P

[I.Like.Red]

Yep. That's britain. Everyone gets games before us.

[supabird]

I have an Xbox 360.
The ps3 may be WOW WOW but my Xbox is WOW and to be totally honest, I'm fine with it, I love it.
Even though the ps3 could be better I like my Xbox and I' satisfied...

nuff said

[Sub0]

I have an Xbox 360.
The ps3 may be WOW WOW but my Xbox is WOW and to be totally honest, I'm fine with it, I love it.
Even though the ps3 could be better I like my Xbox and I' satisfied...

nuff said

Nothing is capable of translating that into English.

[h00pla]

seXbox 360>ps3

translate'd

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's unintellible.

[Sub0]

seXbox 360>ps3

translate'd

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's unintellible.

PS3 > Crabbox Three-####ty

[h00pla]

Now you're just making yourself look stupid. All I did was translate his post for you, since admitted to being incapable of it yourself.

I didn't bias it. I just used my favored name for the seXbox 360 cause I found it humorous

[Sub0]

Now you're just making yourself look stupid. All I did was translate his post for you, since admitted to being incapable of it yourself.

I didn't bias it. I just used my favored name for the seXbox 360 cause I found it humorous

YOU (the Wii/360 fanboys) are the ones who look stupid. This thread was about the PS3, and you barge in here saying "LOLISNT DA WII N 360 CHEPER?" Stupid 360 trolls, it is a shame I fed you.

[Karl]

Keep in mind, XBL has two forms, silver and gold. I don't even enjoy playing online most of the time, because it's less social. I'd much prefer getting together with a few friends or setting up a LAN party. Silver is free, and I still have access to XBL updates to my system, and the XBL marketplace.

[h00pla]

YOU (the Wii/360 fanboys) are the ones who look stupid. This thread was about the PS3, and you barge in here saying "LOLISNT DA WII N 360 CHEPER?" Stupid 360 trolls, it is a shame I fed you.
I love this, I don't even have to do anything to you, you're insulting yourself all on your own.

I haven't said anything about how I feel about the console. All I've done is translate the incredibly easy to read post to make it even easier to read because you said you couldn't read it. Calling it a seXbox 360 is just a funny name, I also refer to GameCubes as GayCubes, but I like them still.

It is you who is trolling. they've been talking about the ps3, just because they don't all copypasta "OMG!I LUV TEH PS3!!!" doesn't mean they aren't sticking to the topic. They don't like the PS3 and most of them have been giving some pretty solid evidence as to why they fell that way, far better than <insert list of games here as if it validates spending almost twice as much for a console as the next one>

[Syrito]

YOU (the Wii/360 fanboys) are the ones who look stupid. This thread was about the PS3, and you barge in here saying "LOLISNT DA WII N 360 CHEPER?" Stupid 360 trolls, it is a shame I fed you.OMG LIEK HOOPLA MADE A GOOD PONT N HE SHULD B BAND BECAUSE WE HAV CLOSD MINDES N WE ARNT GONNA PAI ATENTION 2 HIS POST JUST BECASE OF HE EXPLANED A XBOX-FAVORINGF POST LOL!!!!111

Before you say that I'm a fanboy, I have a PS3, I'm not trying to insult your system, I'm trying to insult you and your lack of attention-paying.

[Freddy]

On the bright side, it can deflect bullets (http://fanboys-online.com/index.php?cid=104).

[Joest]

On the bright side, it can deflect bullets (http://fanboys-online.com/index.php?cid=104).That was epic.

I hate you PS3 Fanyboys who argue over a moot point. At the moment the Wii and the 360 are a better deal than the PS3. I can get a Wii and a 360 and it's still cheaper than a PS3.

[zippydaspinhead]

Keep in mind, XBL has two forms, silver and gold. I don't even enjoy playing online most of the time, because it's less social. I'd much prefer getting together with a few friends or setting up a LAN party. Silver is free, and I still have access to XBL updates to my system, and the XBL marketplace.

I have to agree if i want to play something online i have a friggen PC where it is just as free as the PS3, oh wait, IT DOESNT EVEN COST 600 SMACKERS cause its my moms comp!

Also LAN parties are just too much damn fun.

[I.Like.Red]

That was epic.

I hate you PS3 Fanyboys who argue over a moot point. At the moment the Wii and the 360 are a better deal than the PS3. I can get a Wii and a 360 and it's still cheaper than a PS3.

Did you read my post?

I could get a Wii and PS3 with online capabilities for less than an xBox 360 with online capabilities...

[Joest]

XBox Live Silver is free...

[game-bot]

The Wii a PS3 online are free, so really, shut up and stop comparing *FREE* features with Xbox Live.

[The Brown Cow]

Did you read my post?

I could get a Wii and PS3 with online capabilities for less than an xBox 360 with online capabilities...

Wii: $250
PS3: $600
Free online!: $0
Total: $850

Xbox 360: $400
Silver/Gold Live Subscription: $0/$80
Total: $400/$480

[DarkReality]

Yea. Whoops.

What kind of tactic is comparing prices over a SEVEN YEAR RUN anyway? I mean, apart from the fact that 40 pounds a year is insignificantly little for people who can afford a console, your numbers include 2 games for 7 effing years, don't take into account the fact that the PS3 only HAS two games worthplaying at the moment (if even that much >_>) and also seems to reduce our arguments to a question of price.

I'd rather pay close to nothing now and then 600 euros a year for an online service for 7 years rather than cash in 600 euros right now for a console. Why? Because there is such a thing as an income. That's also the same reason people buy cars with rates. No one has thousands of dollars lying around to pay a car with. Am I paying more if I play 7 years of XBoxLive that if I play the (momentarily) free PS3 online services?

Sure, but at least I'll have great games to play and a controller that doen't require 6 fingers plus a thumb :-)

And according to TBC's post, the silver live subscription is free? Well, there's one surprise for you -_- And you don't know if Sony's service will STAY free, now do you. Certainly not over the course of 7 years.

[Lumeh]

You can run OS's on PS3.

If the halo games have come out on PC, Halo 3 should as well. And therefor you can play your crappy Halo on a PS3, and get its massive ownage as well for a bit more cash.

[alstartheman]

ps3 is just better than all the other consoles period!!

still not buying untill i got some cash lol and thats gonna take a while xD

[I.Like.Red]

PS3 online will stay free...

[DarkReality]

You can run OS's on PS3.

If the halo games have come out on PC, Halo 3 should as well. And therefor you can play your crappy Halo on a PS3, and get its massive ownage as well for a bit more cash.

... So I delete the standard PS3 OS in order to install WINDOWS VISTA on a PS3, thereby rendering it absolutely useless as it obviously won't be able to play PS3 games in their propietary format?

And I don't think anyone ever claimed Halo was great, or even the epitome of gaming on the XBox360/PC. So I don't know why you pulled that worthless argument out of your behind :-)

In fact, I don't see how that justifies a PS3 at all. Why should I pay 600 dollars and remove the PS3 OS (making it impossible to play PS3 games) in order to play a Windows game I can play on an XBox360 for... 400 dollars tops?

I don't even know if Vista will even RUN on a PS3, to be honest. But I know jack about it's architecture. I could only throw out the word "SPU" out there without even knowing what that really means (apart from synergistic processing unit... >_>) or what it does.

Apart from AAAAAALL that: I can run an OS on any box, really. Google "Linux on an XBox 360" and you'll get pages of results. I could probably install Linux on a Wii as well. ####, I've seen linux installed on a Gameboy (modded to have a keyboard input, obviously), assuming that it wasn't a fake. So the PS3 doesn't really have much of a headstart in THAT department.

PS3 online will stay free...Oh, well if you've got the insider news. Tell me, are you the chief executive manager for the Division of Sony responsible for their gaming systems or just the lead designer responsible for the online presence of Sony over the PS3? But hey, you're obviously right, now that you say it.

@The last few posts:
This fanboy bull#### is getting ridiculous. We have wellgrounded arguments as to why the PS3 simply isn't worth it in light of the XBox360 and in light of the current fight between Blueray and HDDVD formats (which BlueRay could very well lose, due to Sony's rather peculiar company policy). If you have anything intelligent to say, then say it, but if you can only ignore our posts and give absolutely ridiculous reasons (or none at all, for that matter) as to why the PS3 is better, then you might as well stop now. It makes you look childish.

[Joest]

And XBox Live Silver won't? Mcrosoft said that Silver will stay free... Did Sony confirm it?

I don't even have a 360, yet I can defend it better than you can a PS3.

If you want to spew your Sony Fanboy bull####, go to another forum. We don't give a #### here.

[I.Like.Red]

Nor do I own a PS3. Anyway, I just said it was a good console. And sony has confirmed it will stay free. Nor did I say it was the best. If you go back and read the first post, I gave opinions on what was my favourite. Read the whole thread, I never said another console was worse than a PS3, I just gave reasons why I didn't like them.

Hex: Watch your language.

[DarkReality]

You never claimed another console was worse than the PS3?

-You claimed the games for the Wii and the XBox360 aren't innovative enough (and implied that the PS3 is bubbling with innovative content... right).
-You gave false information claiming Sony was winning the format fight right now (your link explicitly stated that BlueRay was only more popular in Japan and that HDDVD had won the US over, which is a significant difference considering where the center of the world's porn industry lies).
-Gave uninformed information concerning the Knights of Nine "extra" in the PS3 (it's apparently available for download on the XBox360 market place, if I read and remember the thread correctly; it's certainly available for the PC)
-Blatantly lied about Sony holding patents for motion sensing video game controllers (Link (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20070049374&OS=20070049374&RS=20070049374), I hope I understood the legal jibberisheese correctly).

... yea. You're sitting there praising Sony and the PS3 like the epitome of gaming itself. You can't claim that the PS3 is better without claiming the other consoles are worse. Laws of logic.

[I.Like.Red]

You never claimed another console was worse than the PS3?

-You claimed the games for the Wii and the XBox360 aren't innovative enough (and implied that the PS3 is bubbling with innovative content... right).
-You gave false information claiming Sony was winning the format fight right now (your link explicitly stated that BlueRay was only more popular in Japan and that HDDVD had won the US over, which is a significant difference considering where the center of the world's porn industry lies).
-Gave uninformed information concerning the Knights of Nine "extra" in the PS3 (it's apparently available for download on the XBox360 market place, if I read and remember the thread correctly; it's certainly available for the PC)
-Blatantly lied about Sony holding patents for motion sensing video game controllers (Link (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20070049374&OS=20070049374&RS=20070049374), I hope I understood the legal jibberisheese correctly).

... yea. You're sitting there praising Sony and the PS3 like the epitome of gaming itself. You can't claim that the PS3 is better without claiming the other consoles are worse. Laws of logic.

I claimed that the xBox wasn't innovative enough. The wii is EXTREMELY innovative.
I never linked to a page saying sony was winning the format war, just that it was allowing porno.
You have to pay for it in the xBox live marketplace, that's more costs upon the already mounting price of the 360 (IN ENGLAND)
And I heard somewhere that sony held the patents, probably in the local game shop. I apoligise for this mistake, and I admit I am wrong.

And are you saying that by preffering one console it makes you a fanboy?
If you say a PC is better, does that make you a PC fanboy?

[Freddy]

Does it really matter?
-One has a controler that can be used as multiple weapons.
-One has totally PRO online and an amazing library.
-One can defelct bullets.

In the end, it's all about your priorities. What do you want to do?
Kill people? Play games? or Defend yourself from bullets?

[game-bot]

You know, if I wanted to avoid bullets, I'd rather use a nearby person than shell out 600 bucks :p

[I.Like.Red]

^Haha, Sig'd!
I'd rather have a console, which in my opinion has a balance between the two, but more towards the AWEXOMEXCORE library of games.

[Defective]

Eh I have played the PS3 amazing graphics and some good game play (I played resistance). I think the Wii is a lot of fun though. Cartoony.

[Almanio]

My take is if your are NOT going to play online you may as well not get a 360. Because It will get the red lights in a year and a half. But if you like to play online get a 360 its worth it. And the warrenty covers redlights for 3 years.

[I.Like.Red]

What are the 3 lights?

[ManUpstairs]

The PS3 is a horrible waste of money and space. It's game selection rivals that of McDonald's toys. Hmmm...maybe I'm giving it TOO much credit. It's game selection is ALMOST as good as McDonald's Happy Meal toys. There are maybe 4 or 5 good games for the PS3, and to be honest I would rather not spend $600 to get the same enjoyment as I would out of a McDonald's toy. Plus, I get a meal with the toy. Do PS3s come along with a meal? I didn't think so, sucker!

[Freddy]

can McDonald's toys deflect bullets?
I didn't think so, sucker!

[I.Like.Red]

But, If you eat enough McDonalds then your flab absorbs bullets. SHING!

We proved, McDonalds > PS3

[Karl]

I think we can all agree that the 'best' console depends on what you want out of it.


If your priority is to suck, than the PS3 will happily accommodate your needs.

[I.Like.Red]

Here's a little quote from Sony about their online gaming to be free:

PS3 site PS3Land is reporting that despite the myriad rumours to the contrary, Sony's PS3 online offering will indeed be completely free out of the box. Indeed, an unnamed Sony Computer Entertainment America PR Manager said:-

"Please note that online gaming will be free right out of the box."

And that was it. We're thinking of filing this one in the big box marked "Internet Reports (Unlikely)", but we'll keep an open mind for now. We, alongside every other site on the planet, is trying to get you confirmation of the pricing structure as you read this.

And here's the link to the site that posted this:

http://www.rewiredmind.com/news/190506/ps3...ecompletelyfree (http://www.rewiredmind.com/news/190506/ps3onlineservicetobecompletelyfree)

It'll be interesting to see if Sony can keep their word http://forums.xbox-scene.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif http://forums.xbox-scene.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif http://forums.xbox-scene.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif What was I thinking, this is Sony were talking about.

Here are some more things I found:

During a Q&A session with media over lunch after yesterday's GDC keynote, Sony's Phil Harrison confirmed that PS3 software will be region free and that multiplayer gaming will also be free.

That was at this link:


http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/23/region-f...ayer-confirmed/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/23/region-free-ps3-free-online-multiplayer-confirmed/)

And here's one more:

Sony have quashed rumours that the online gaming aspect of the PS3's live service will cost to play , it will in fact be totally free.

A Sony Computer Entertainment America PR Manager had this to say: "Please note that online gaming will be free right out of the box."

And here's the link to that site:

http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5665 (http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5665)

Also, A lil thing about launch titles.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/02/sonys-phil-harrison-dont-judge-console-by-launch-titles/

[Karl]

None of that states that it will remain free, however. I imagine (without having perused the articles) that the quotes were said before the PS3 had launched.

[Joest]

Exactly, how do we know it will stay free?

'I would like 1 bulletproof vest please!'
'Would you rather have a PS3? It's cheaper.'
'Yeah yeah, sure sure. Whatever.'
'What is this crap? I asked for a bullet proof vest, not a shiny piece of crap!'
*Hurls PS3 at cashier*

[Almanio]

The 3 red lights means error and your xbox failed.

[I.Like.Red]

Exactly, how do we know it will stay free?



-snip-

H00pla: Repeating your long post doesn't answer his question -_-

[Almanio]

Here's a little quote from Sony about their online gaming to be free:

PS3 site PS3Land is reporting that despite the myriad rumours to the contrary, Sony's PS3 online offering will indeed be completely free out of the box. Indeed, an unnamed Sony Computer Entertainment America PR Manager said:-

"Please note that online gaming will be free right out of the box."

And that was it. We're thinking of filing this one in the big box marked "Internet Reports (Unlikely)", but we'll keep an open mind for now. We, alongside every other site on the planet, is trying to get you confirmation of the pricing structure as you read this.

And here's the link to the site that posted this:

http://www.rewiredmind.com/news/190506/ps3...ecompletelyfree (http://www.rewiredmind.com/news/190506/ps3onlineservicetobecompletelyfree)

It'll be interesting to see if Sony can keep their word http://forums.xbox-scene.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif http://forums.xbox-scene.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif http://forums.xbox-scene.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif What was I thinking, this is Sony were talking about.

Here are some more things I found:

During a Q&A session with media over lunch after yesterday's GDC keynote, Sony's Phil Harrison confirmed that PS3 software will be region free and that multiplayer gaming will also be free.

That was at this link:


http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/23/region-f...ayer-confirmed/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/23/region-free-ps3-free-online-multiplayer-confirmed/)

And here's one more:

Sony have quashed rumours that the online gaming aspect of the PS3's live service will cost to play , it will in fact be totally free.

A Sony Computer Entertainment America PR Manager had this to say: "Please note that online gaming will be free right out of the box."

And here's the link to that site:

http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5665 (http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5665)

Also, A lil thing about launch titles.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/02/so...launch-titles/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/02/sonys-phil-harrison-dont-judge-console-by-launch-titles/)
Even if it costs money I think XBL is better. The ps3 fanboys claim that it has the whole thing where you create a charecter and walk around. Quite strange. You cant see your gaming freinds. No profile smaller commuity. It fails, And since when did we need the internet on a console? It only works with the wii

[I.Like.Red]

It only works with a wii? Explain...

And you can walk around on Home.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0EYgf-LjuoM

It's also a free download.

[h00pla]

You still have yet to answer Joest's question ILR.

All you've done is said that the PS3 would, as in something said before NOvember of last year, be free out of the box. That says nothing about six months from now when they need more funding to keep PS3 online up and running

[DarkReality]

Even if it costs money I think XBL is better. The ps3 fanboys claim that it has the whole thing where you create a charecter and walk around. Quite strange. You cant see your gaming freinds. No profile smaller commuity. It fails, And since when did we need the internet on a console? It only works with the wii

How does it only work on the Wii? o.O I mean, apart from being able to play flash games with the Wiimote, the Wii doesn't offer nearly the internet excitement that a PC offers. And the flash player is HORRIBLY out of date, if I remember correctly. So it doesn't even have that.

Online play is where Nintendo failed. For boasting a console that's fun for everyone, they made it damned difficult to find other people to play.

[Freddy]

Well it plays flash 7. I think the newest version is flash 8. It's not that out of date.
And watching youtube on the living room couch rocks. So =P.

No real online gameing though. Only Pokemans (which is horrible) and Strikers(which is amazing). More comming, but no where near enough to compete with the 360.

[Sub0]

...

He said nothing about the 360.

Why can't there ever be a topic on the PS3 without bringing up "omg it suks 360 is so much beter".

EXACTLY! The 360/Wii fanboys already ruined the last one, which was made by Red I beleive.

PS3 IS better then the 360. I buy consoles because of how good the games are, not because it may have 1000 bad games. The 360 does good games, but I prefer Sony's exclusives. I rather play Resistance then Gears of War or Halo, I rather play Warhawk then Dead Rising, I would rather play Lair then <Insert another 360 exclusive) I rather play Motorstorm then...oh wait, does the 360 even have a racing exclusive?

But don't only play exclusives, the PS3 also offers a better version of Oblivion (with better graphics), and it also costs lest (if you add in all the extra stuff you get). The PS3 will also have a better UT 3, PS3 and PC users will be able to play online together. I can go on and on, but the bottom line is, I prefer playing multi-console games on the PS3, simply because I prefer the controlles, and I rather not look at the eye-sore known as the "360".

I also like the many features of the PS3, for instance I had to send 2 GB worth of pictures to someone, it was VERY urgent and I did not have a memory stick pro duo reader on my computer. But I do have a PS3 and a USB. So I put the duo stick into the PS3, upload all the images, then insert my flash drive and downloaded everything onto it. I saved myself from not being able to send pictures. I also like the idea of Blu Ray, and the power of the PS3. Free online is alway insta-win. I don't get why 360 fanboys keep saying PS3 online sucks. I play Resistance online and I have NEVER entered an empty game. Each game always starts within seconds of entereing. Motorstorm may have a smaller online community then Resistance, but I did not have trouble finding and playing in games. The only game I have complaints about is the non-exclusive title, The Darkness. It lacked people, but I still had hours of fun online when people where on.

I also think that a console should be durable, and NOT break down after a year. A recent..."study" showed that a PS3 could still perform perfectly after 100 hours of gameplay. It could also perform (slightly slowly) in a walk-in refrigerator AND a sauna.

Anyway, I hope my comments don't ignite another fanboy to defend his crap-box., not only will it be futile, it will be offtopic and trolling.

PS3 thread will resume.....NOW!

[DarkReality]

Oh, so it's alright for you to baselessly claim that the PS3 is better than the XBox based solely on your personal preference, but if someone DARES claim that their XBox is better than your PS3, they're a fanboy who shouldn't post?

Well, you can take differing opinions REAL well. I say you shut up. Now. They're ####ing game consoles. If you can't accept that yours isn't the best in every aspect and in everyone's opinion, then don't post about it. This is pretty much more ridiculous than the Apple vs. Windows vs. Linux debates.

[RocketSoldier]

Well it plays flash 7. I think the newest version is flash 8. It's not that out of date.
And watching youtube on the living room couch rocks. So =P.

No real online gameing though. Only Pokemans (which is horrible) and Strikers(which is amazing). More comming, but no where near enough to compete with the 360.

Newest version is Flash 9. It's pretty out of date.

[h00pla]

PS3 thread will resume.....NOW!
-_-
You just enjoy obliterating my faith in humanity don't you?

This thread never sidetracked from the original topic, dolt. Just because we don't all orgasm at the mention of an overpriced console and we say so doesn't mean we're all rabid fanboys for another console. I don't even own a next gen console. I just bought a PS2.

So far the only fanboys have been you and I.Like.Red. The rest of us have been clamly going through the reasons we don;t like the ps3 and why we believe another console is better, and then you come in "ZOMG, j00 fanbois r teh sux! PS3 rools!"

And on that note
Anyway, I hope my comments don't ignite another fanboy to defend his crap-box., not only will it be futile, it will be offtopic and trolling.
Funny, I'm seeing some trolling right there.

[The Brown Cow]

See, posting a topic about the aspects of the PS3 which you enjoy is one thing.

But when you post things like:
"How many people can go online on halo on one game, and does xBox have any proper good looking games, other than halo etc."
"xBox games don't look innovative enough."
"PS3 IS better then the 360."

People aren't going to take it lying down.

[HungryMonkey]

They all suck. Be a man and get an Atari Jaguar or Phillips CDI. Trust me, they rule.

[DarkReality]

I hear the CDi has some impressive Zelda games. That was the CDi, wasn't it? Best Zelda games ever, really.

[game-bot]

On a serious note, didn't CDi have an online Zelda game? waay ahead of it's time.

[I.Like.Red]

New news. The demo of Uncharted : Drake's Fortune won't fit on a normal dvd. Looks like blu ray will be a good investment for sony.

[DarkReality]

... A good investment? Sony owns the Blu ray licenses. It's their format. Not much of an investment. Besides, who says it won't fit on an HDDVD?

[I.Like.Red]

The demo. The demo is a fraction of the size of the whole game. And they had to invest money into develmping blu ray...

[Freddy]

Not too big a deal. Knowing Microsoft, they'd squeeze what they could on to the standard 360 disc and put the rest as something downloadable.

Or even more practical, use two discs. There's a large number of games that used multiple disc games. It wouldn't be anything new.

[Mr. Anderson]

I've played all three and own a Wii, and may be getting a 360.

See, the first thing to consider is price. Xbox is $300, Wii is $250, and PS3 is $600. I love my PS2, but I can't afford a $600 freaking console! That's insane.

Xbox 360 came out way before the Wii and PS3, so it's game library is tops. But, exclusives matter; with the Wii, you get things like Mario. PS3, you get stuff like MGS or GTA. With the 360, you get Microsoft stuff, Halo, etc..

Now, to me; the PS3 is pretty much a 360 with Blu-Ray. It's graphics are a knotch better, but I really could care less, since I'm not a rich mo####a and don't have super-TV's.

The 360 has good graphics; it has great games. Halo, Saint's Row, Dead Rising, stuff like that. It has amazing online capabilities, and it easily beats the other two there.

The Wii is creative. Nothing else goes all out with motion detection. This allows it to do things like shooters extremly well; of course, there are also wonders worked with puzzle, adventure, pretty much anything that can benefit from motion sensing.

Nintendo could add $50 to the Wii's price, it'd be just as popular. The 360 is a great value where it is now, and the PS3 is very overpirced.

But, it's priorites. Wii=experimental, innovative games. 360=realistic, fun games. PS3=ultra-realistic, fun games.
Do you want games with last-gen graphics, but motion detection? A system with tons of great games, and great graphics? Or do you want a system with great games, some of them upcoming, and great graphics? To me, the PS3 should be $300.

[I.Like.Red]

But, as I said before, if you want wo go online, 360 costs more. Oh, and we're not rich, but I got a HD in my room.

[Sub0]

Not too big a deal. Knowing Microsoft, they'd squeeze what they could on to the standard 360 disc and put the rest as something downloadable.

Or even more practical, use two discs. There's a large number of games that used multiple disc games. It wouldn't be anything new.

It is easier to use one disc, BluRay makes that possible.

Anderson- the 360 is more expensive. Unless you want to have a console that is about 1/10th of the PS3/Wii. Even if you do get everything for the 360, not only are you paying more, but you still don't have a console as good as the PS3.

Also somebody said that the 360 fanboys in this thread have been camly explaining why the 360 is better, and the Sony fanboys keep saying "LOL OMG SONY IS BETR" I would like you to point out where a Sony fanboy said that in this thread, or something along those lines. Me ,and the others who support Sony also camly explain to you why the PS3 is kicking ass.

[Mr. Anderson]

Anderson- the 360 is more expensive. Unless you want to have a console that is about 1/10th of the PS3/Wii. Even if you do get everything for the 360, not only are you paying more, but you still don't have a console as good as the PS3.


It won't have Blue Ray. It won't have a lot of space for downloadable stuff. Like I said, priorities. I don't give a flying #### about Blue Ray, my Pulp Fiction DVD works fine, as do all my others. Online is free/$5, that's not expensive. I love how the Wii and PS3's online is free, but XBL is superior to the others. Worth the $5, in my opinion.

[I.Like.Red]

How is it superior? This isn't rhetorical, I wanna know what extra features Live has.

[Sub0]

It won't have Blue Ray. It won't have a lot of space for downloadable stuff. Like I said, priorities. I don't give a flying #### about Blue Ray, my Pulp Fiction DVD works fine, as do all my others. Online is free/$5, that's not expensive. I love how the Wii and PS3's online is free, but XBL is superior to the others. Worth the $5, in my opinion.

Superior? In what way? Sure, there may be a million something people online, but you can't play one game with a million people. Awards/other information? Once Home comes out XBL will look like crap...Okay, maybe not that bad, but Home will still be better. I prefer to have 3D awards, and a 3D environement to display my online "pwning" then have it written down, dsplayed as text. Also, there are a lot of people on PSN, I always find tons of people to play with.

[h00pla]

It is easier to use one disc, BluRay makes that possible.
If you don't mind a completely proprietary and potentially useless format. The rest of us will wait for the format war to end before investing in one of the other.

Anderson- the 360 is more expensive. Unless you want to have a console that is about 1/10th of the PS3/Wii. Even if you do get everything for the 360, not only are you paying more, but you still don't have a console as good as the PS3.
-_- yes with the online over a ridiculous amount of time that you're parent are undoubtedly paying for anyway, the 360 is more expensive. Price tag (what the unit actually costs) still support the 360

Also somebody said that the 360 fanboys in this thread have been camly explaining why the 360 is better, and the Sony fanboys keep saying "LOL OMG SONY IS BETR" I would like you to point out where a Sony fanboy said that in this thread, or something along those lines. Me ,and the others who support Sony also camly explain to you why the PS3 is kicking ass.
False, I've mostly been pointing that finger at you and you alone with the occasional wiggle toward I.Like.Red. The first part of your contribution to this thread consisteed almost solely of a list of games that had yet to be released which you thought countered everything. Mostly it's been your past history of supporting the ps3.
Superior? In what way? Sure, there may be a million something people online, but you can't play one game with a million people. Awards/other information? Once Home comes out XBL will look like crap...Okay, maybe not that bad, but Home will still be better. I prefer to have 3D awards, and a 3D environement to display my online "pwning" then have it written down, dsplayed as text. Also, there are a lot of people on PSN, I always find tons of people to play with.
There are a lot of people and the matchmaking they have usually pairs me up with people of the perfect skill to play (my main experience with XBL is Halo 2, stereotypical? I know). As for your almighty home. Cruise Haboo hotel seriously trying to use it for fun (not being an ass because that's fun) and tell me how "great" it is. GUI chatrooms aren't that amazing.

[Mr. Anderson]

Priorities. Trophies, to me, don't matter. I just want to have fun.

[I.Like.Red]

Can you launch online games straight from habbo hotel? Can you stream audio and video and pics to stereos, tvs and pic frames? Can you launch straight into games such as pool and bowling? Can you talk to people with voice? No, not on Habbo!

[h00pla]

Can you launch online games straight from habbo hotel? Can you stream audio and video and pics to stereos, tvs and pic frames? Can you launch straight into games such as pool and bowling? Can you talk to people with voice? No, not on Habbo!

Don;t need to, I have a task bar at the bottom of my screen, videos under the videos folder of my HD, audio under the songs folder of my hd, and I have minesweeper which owns any "recreational" game you have. That said, Home is still a huge gimick, "We're like XBL but with pretty pictures!"

Which I think was a slogan they used when advertising "The PS3! It's like Xbox360, but it has prettier pictures!"

[I.Like.Red]

And what was microsofts? "We have Halo!"

[h00pla]

And what was microsofts? "We have Halo!"
"We have Halo, we have perfect dark, we have a console out a year before anyone else, and we have a pretty case" (Which they did have as pretty case, I loved it)

[Joest]

And GoW! And Dead Rising! And Saints Row! And Halo 3!

What does the PS3 Have? Killzone.

[h00pla]

And GoW! And Dead Rising! And Saints Row! And Halo 3!

What does the PS3 Have? Killzone.
Halo 3 was a game of the distant horizon much like heavenly sword. And thehy had Resistanceas far as I new fortheir launch lineup

[Sub0]

And GoW! And Dead Rising! And Saints Row! And Halo 3!

What does the PS3 Have? Killzone.

This is the reason why I kept repeating the games...people don't seem to realize that the PS3 has(and will have) amazing games that will entertain you for weeks, even months, because they are so awesome.

Anyway, I would love to go on a 20 page rant, but I would rather that someone sum it all up in a video...oh wait, someone already has!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JSGrKE5GZUc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VrdE11_iYK8&watch_response
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DUIkOImMFVw&watch_response

(The last one was posted because my PS3 fanboy side told me to do so)

[h00pla]

This is the reason why I kept repeating the games...people don't seem to realize that the PS3 has(and will have) amazing games that will entertain you for weeks, even months, because they are so awesome.

Anyway, I would love to go on a 20 page rant, but I would rather that someone sum it all up in a video...oh wait, someone already has!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JSGrKE5GZUc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VrdE11_iYK8&watch_response
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DUIkOImMFVw&watch_response

(The last one was posted because my PS3 fanboy side told me to do so)
You know, that might have been a funny joke if you hadn't already used it, and if it hadn;t been just as stupid the first time

I got as far into the first movie as when they showed the circuit boards as if the fact that the ps3 was made of flatter components was supposed to mean something since everyone who bought a console knows all the intimite details of circuitry. And it suffers from the same delusions you do, the ps3 has AWESOME GAMES coming out REALLY AWESOME GAMES!

[Sub0]

You know, that might have been a funny joke if you hadn't already used it, and if it hadn;t been just as stupid the first time

I got as far into the first movie as when they showed the circuit boards as if the fact that the ps3 was made of flatter components was supposed to mean something since everyone who bought a console knows all the intimite details of circuitry. And it suffers from the same delusions you do, the ps3 has AWESOME GAMES coming out REALLY AWESOME GAMES!

Try watching the WHOLE video...at least the first two =/.

[h00pla]

I watched most of them, the circuit board thing was about a minute before the end. Basically it's everything you;ve been saying. Almost verbatim, in fact.

[Kevim]

Isn't cheaper to buy both a Wii and a 360 than a single PS3?
Yes.... if you got the Core Pack 360.

Core Pack= 300$
Wii=250$

And you can get an extra game (two controllers, whatever floats your boat) too, for the price of a PS3.

[DarkReality]

PS3, you get stuff like MGS or GTA

GTA is NOT an exclusive! Stop spreading liiiiiiies! :-)

Sorry, but giving Sony GTA as an exclusive would be an incredibly unfair lie. In reality, Sony has hardly any exclusives.

Anderson- the 360 is more expensive. Unless you want to have a console that is about 1/10th of the PS3/Wii. Even if you do get everything for the 360, not only are you paying more, but you still don't have a console as good as the PS

No. It's not. I would get those things for the PS3 as well, now wouldn't I. And what do you mean a console not as good as the PS3? So far, I don't see a difference, and it will be quite a while before the PS3 shines (we're essentially seeing a redub of the PS2, with less games to start with). Don't get us wrong, the PS3 kicks pandemonious ass. It's a monster, that's true. But it's simply not worth it at this moment in time, for price and for the definitive lack of great games.

I prefer to have 3D awards, and a 3D environement to display my online "pwning" then have it written down, dsplayed as text. Also, there are a lot of people on PSN, I always find tons of people to play with.
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And that isn't worth 600 dollars. Quit judging Home before it's even released. Other projects such as this have disappointed before. Wait before you say Home will be awesome.
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This is the reason why I kept repeating the games...people don't seem to realize that the PS3 has(and will have) amazing games that will entertain you for weeks, even months, because they are so awe

THEY AREN'T AMAZING UNTIL THEY'RE ACTUALLY RELEASED!!! FOR THE LOVE OF ####ING GOD, QUIT JUDGING A GAME BEFORE IT'S RELEASED, IT'S ####ING RIDICULOUS AND PLAIN WROOOOOONG!!!! [/caps]

I'm sorry. That was necessary. If the upcoming games are really that great, THEN the PS3 might be great as well (and still horribly overpriced, I might add, with features I neither want nor need from a ####ing GAME CONSOLE). Sony has mentioned before that the PS3 will not only be a gaming console but a home entertainment system. Guess what? I want a gaming console. I don't want to pay 600 dollars for a bundle that I'll only use to 35% (lack of HDTV, lack of great sound system, lack of Bluray movies and a TV that makes a difference visible, etc). I get enough of that bundle #### from Microsoft's PC products, I want NO MORE OF IT. You hear? No more! I want a gaming console. I want to be able to pop games into it and play games, not walk around in a 3D environment showing off my pretty trophies to people with the collective intellect of a 4th grader.

I mean, come ON! You're advertising a chat room with living avatars. Do you play second life? How old are you? I don't want to spend my precious playing time walking to a pool table and then playing pool. I can do that on a PC with realistic ball physics just as well. And I don't need 20 graphic cards and ultra realistic reflections to make it fun, thank you. Nor do I need to see the fingerprint left by the dealer on my blackjack cards. I'm no longer 12. I do not want to pay 600 dollars for a chatroom.

So as a gaming console? The PS3 fails for being overpriced overkill. It may be a beautiful piece of hardware, but it's simply not a pure gaming console, which makes it, when compared to gaming consoles in regards to which is the better gaming console, just plain worse.

[I.Like.Red]

So GTA4 or Halo aren't amazing?

[Tanktunker]

So GTA4 or Halo aren't amazing?
The Halo Beta has already been released, and the only real judgement on the quality of GTA4 can be pulled from the rest of the series, that were amazing.

[Mr. Anderson]

Hmm, I should have realized that. :x

[DarkReality]

So GTA4 or Halo aren't amazing?

As opposed to the titles the PS3 offers (which have no predecessors, apart from Warhawk, which really doesn't count if you compare the two and the time between them :-p), both Halo and GTA4 had them. And I can say with some certainty that GTA4 will top the last titles, which can only be something good, considering they were quite impressive (apart from the absolutely lame and terribly scripted story GTA:SA had to offer).

For the same reason, I know the MGS4 will kick ass. Clunky PS controls or not, there's no way they could #### that up. I don't think.

Halo also had a Beta.

I never claimed either of the games will be great, anyway. So your argument holds no ground in any case. Feel free to correct me on the PS3 games though, I could very well be wrong, in which case judgement can very well be passed on them.

For this reason, I also hope that Assassin's Creed will live up to the hype. Because that and Splinter Cell 5 are pretty much the games I plan on buying a 360 for (the core system has dropped to 250 euros here, joy in a bundle!)

[I.Like.Red]

MGS4... Home beta has been released. Killzone had a predecessor, so did littlebigplanet. And unreal, and that 8 days game looks jhe own.

[Popolop]

Since there is also an argument about this in the Gamers Club, I'll just copy+paste what I said in there.

.:Games for the Xbox 360:.
-Bioshock
-Dead Rising
-Gears of War
-Call of Duty 3
-Quake 4
-Saints Row
-Project Gotham Racing 3
-Perfect Dark Zero

Oh yeah, those are all exclusive. Here’s a list for exclusive upcoming games for the 360:


Mass Effect
Assassin’s Creed
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Halo 3
Fable 2
Blue Dragon
And much, much more.

There are countless number of titles that are cross-platformed, but 85% of them are better on the 360 (better FPS, better Graphics, more DLC).

$5 a month for online isn’t that expensive. Actually, I find it a great value. I clock in so many hours Online, and the Network is great.

Why the #### would you want to play for 100 hours in a row. Much less then 5. And bull#### they studied that. Who in their right mind would play for 100 hours in a ####ing sauna. And if you say “Well, they probably just left it on for 100 hours” means crap. The console would go idle and barely use any power.

I had my 360 from Launch day. Not a single problem. Not one. And I clocked in oh so many hours into it.

That’s the same deal with us. And if there is someone annoying, he usually gets booted in a good 10 seconds.

The interface for Xbox Live is great. The Marketplace actually has good stuff in it. Unlike the PS3.

The PS3 may have some good exclusives, but it just doesn’t come close to the 360’s exclusive list.

[DarkReality]

Assassin's Creed was (sadly) taken off the exclusives list. Ubisoft seriously back out on their anti-Sony attitude on that one (they first claimed Assassin's Creed would be impossible on the PS3 and criticized the difficulty of programming for the PS3, etc.).

Which doesn't make the game sound any less spectacular.

[The Brown Cow]

Look, when it comes down to it, the system all have their merits - they play games, and provide you with fun.

I'm tired of hearing people call one system "inferior". Truth of the matter is, if you buy it, you'll have fun with it. And that's kind of the goal, isn't it? I don't mope around because my Wii doesn't have shiny graphics - I have fun with it, and the word "inferior" never comes to mind.

So stop telling people they're not really having fun. We all play games for the same reason.

[Kjohn]

Look, when it comes down to it, the system all have their merits - they play games, and provide you with fun.

I'm tired of hearing people call one system "inferior". Truth of the matter is, if you buy it, you'll have fun with it. And that's kind of the goal, isn't it? I don't mope around because my Wii doesn't have shiny graphics - I have fun with it, and the word "inferior" never comes to mind.

So stop telling people they're not really having fun. We all play games for the same reason.

*claps*, that was the most truthful post about a console I've ever heard.:)

[h00pla]

Look, when it comes down to it, the system all have their merits - they play games, and provide you with fun.

I'm tired of hearing people call one system "inferior". Truth of the matter is, if you buy it, you'll have fun with it. And that's kind of the goal, isn't it? I don't mope around because my Wii doesn't have shiny graphics - I have fun with it, and the word "inferior" never comes to mind.

So stop telling people they're not really having fun. We all play games for the same reason.
For me, and DArk I feel safe to assume, this has nothing to do with whether or not a console is "inferior" it has to do with whether or not your a blithering idiot for paying such a price for a ps3 and why it's completely not worth it.

[Kjohn]

For me, and DArk I feel safe to assume, this has nothing to do with whether or not a console is "inferior" it has to do with whether or not your a blithering idiot for paying such a price for a ps3 and why it's completely not worth it.

Ouch, I bought one.

[Karl]

Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying you can't have fun with a PS3, because you certainly can. I just think the fun is bittersweet when there's a 600 dollar price tag.

[Chimpy]

And I would like to add something to Naborr's post:

Enough comparing the price to the Xbox 360! There are other ways to entertain oneself! IF all games consoles cost $600, I know for a fact that I wouldn't own any, I'd just read books and stuff.

[DarkReality]

That would be a big load of books.

[Kjohn]

It's a well rounded system. Great online, fun games, and beautiful graphics. I don't feel guilty at all, it's well worth it.

I also like reading, I'm reading the last harry potter

[Chimpy]

That would be a big load of books.

Okay, you have a point, but it was just one suggestion. Games consoles shouldn't provide ALL your entertainment, there are other things. I don't see why I should spend any more than £200 on games consoles in a year, when there is TV, the internet, plenty of other things to do at home than just that.

[DarkReality]

Really wasn't any criticism or anything. I just tried to imagine storing 600 dollars/euros worth of books... pretty much anywhere outside of a library. Unless we're talking textbooks. In which case I would need no more than one shelf. Probably.

[Kjohn]

math books are 100$, you'd only need 6 of them

[Tanktunker]

math books are 100$, you'd only need 6 of them
Where the #### are you buying your textbooks?!

[Freddy]

...my calc book was $174...
Granted it did come with an online pass key thing for Eduspace. Though I don't think we'll use it this semester.

[Tanktunker]

...my calc book was $174...
Granted it did come with an online pass key thing for Eduspace. Though I don't think we'll use it this semester.
Did it come with a condom's worth of cocaine too, because that's ####ing expensive.

[I.Like.Red]

Will everyone stop saying the PS3 is too expensive!
Where i'm from, the xBox and PS3 w/ online cost the same.
You say silver is free, but only for one year.
ONE YEAR OF ONLINE PLAY!
That'd suck!

[Joest]

Move to the US where everything it cheaper than that of a PS3.

My cousin bought a used car for less than a PS3. Granted that it was a rusted pile of crap.

[Tanktunker]

Will everyone stop saying the PS3 is too expensive!
Where i'm from, the xBox and PS3 w/ online cost the same.
You say silver is free, but only for one year.
ONE YEAR OF ONLINE PLAY!
That'd suck!
If you only play online, alot of people, daresay even most people play mostly or only singleplayer/splitscreen, so 1 year of online is plenty.
In fact, almost all my friends have a console, none play online.

[DarkReality]

Will everyone stop saying the PS3 is too expensive!
Where i'm from, the xBox and PS3 w/ online cost the same.
You say silver is free, but only for one year.
ONE YEAR OF ONLINE PLAY!
That'd suck!

200 dollars/euros for online play? I'm sorry, 250, the XBox actually dropped in price with the release of the Elite (biggest scam EVAR). Now the premium goes for 350 and the core goes for nearly the price of a Wii (using the employee discount my girlfriend enjoys, it WILL cost me no more than 250 euros XD). And the PS3? 600. Yea, what a deal, I'll be sure to grab a hold of that, no reason not to save at least 250 euros.

Oh wait, my money tree just sprouted a new bud! If I wait two more weeks, I might have enough!

Either you're lying or you live pretty inconveniently.

And I don't play games online anyway. Ever. I hate online play like the plague. Partially because I'm godawfully terrible compared to most others and partially because I enjoy games with either very limited online play or oddly boring online play (standard shooter with the game's theme, or something like that). There's just more thought put into them, in my opinion.

[Karl]

Will everyone stop saying the PS3 is too expensive!
Where i'm from, the xBox and PS3 w/ online cost the same.
You say silver is free, but only for one year.
ONE YEAR OF ONLINE PLAY!
That'd suck!
What are you on about?

XBL Silver is free indefinitely. There are no 1-year limits.

XBL Gold is $50 a year, although they have a trial subscription for free for one month. I activated my trial subscription to play the Halo 3 Beta, and I haven't payed for Gold since.

The PS3 has free online play, yes. But you can't say that it will stay that way forever. Eventually Sony will need to cope with a bit of loss of revenue after people stop buying PS2s and they'll probably start with the online play.

[DarkReality]

Or offer some sort of "premium" online service. I'm sort of half-expecting Home to start offering premium content to premium users.

[Freddy]

Did it come with a condom's worth of cocaine too, because that's ####ing expensive.
I may be in a community college, but we still use the books of the big boys. It will be covering three semesters of calc though. I'll get my money's worth (or so they tell me).

anyway, back on topic.
Home kinda does offer premium stuff. They just hide it. Sure it's free on the outside, but if you want any of the good looking stuff, you have to dish out real money for it.
They only mentioned furniture for this, but I wouldn't be surprised that if you wanted to watch a video with your friend using Home, you'd need some kind of TV to put in your 'pad'. How much do you want to be that'll cost real world money?

[DarkReality]

Did it come with a condom's worth of cocaine too, because that's ####ing expensive.

Haha. Enjoy the pleasure of ignorance while you can. :-)

Textbooks cost an arm and a leg. Most of the books I would have to buy for the sake of studying cost between 80 and 160 Euros. Were it not for a library I can go to.

They cost that much because unlike Harry Potter, no one cares for a book about human anatomy, neuroscience, the interpretations of late-gothic paintings found in small churches around the Lombarde region, or the extensive proof of every mathematical theorem in existence. Meaning the few people that do buy it have to make up for the people not buying it.

I may be in a community college, but we still use the books of the big boys. It will be covering three semesters of calc though. I'll get my money's worth (or so they tell me)

If you actually understand calc, yeah, you will. But if you're anything like me, then no. You will certainly not get your money's worth because 6 months after you finish your course, you might as well be reading a textbook in hieroglyphics.

>_>

The PS3 is boring. We should post about other stuff.

[Tanktunker]

Haha. Enjoy the pleasure of ignorance while you can. :-)
I can always read the comments on videos on youtube.

[DarkReality]

If you purposely want to lose brain cells, sure. But you're better off pouring acetone or another dangerous-sounding chemical into your eyes.

Youtube comments give me aggressive tendencies towards humanity.

[zakob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoxK5IrzSLA#GU5U2spHI_4

A pretty fair comparison of ps3 and and xbox 360.

My brother already has xbox 360, so I want to get ps3. Possibly wii.

[DarkReality]

Yep. Real fair. If you selectively choose statistics from certain countries, then you can make anything look good. Had he bothered to look at the world-wide statistics, then the outcome would be outright sad. The Wii outsells the PS3 10:1 I believe.

It was especially fair by making ALL XBox consoles look bad with their hardware failures and making it sound like it WILL happen no matter what. Guess what? Your PS3 WILL develop an artificial intelligence and it WILL dominate the world :-)

In all honesty though, I saw a MGS4 trailer today (I believe it was partially game play). Holy #### that was cool. That and LittleBigPlanet are two games I'm going to miss on the XBox. But two games aren't worth 600 dollars.

[Sub0]

Yep. Real fair. If you selectively choose statistics from certain countries, then you can make anything look good. Had he bothered to look at the world-wide statistics, then the outcome would be outright sad. The Wii outsells the PS3 10:1 I believe.

It was especially fair by making ALL XBox consoles look bad with their hardware failures and making it sound like it WILL happen no matter what. Guess what? Your PS3 WILL develop an artificial intelligence and it WILL dominate the world :-)

In all honesty though, I saw a MGS4 trailer today (I believe it was partially game play). Holy #### that was cool. That and LittleBigPlanet are two games I'm going to miss on the XBox. But two games aren't worth 600 dollars.

There are rumours that the price willl drop by 100 dollars soon.

More rumours speculate that there will be another price drop before MGS4 comes out. PS3 might cost 500, or even 450, maybe even 400 dollars in the next 6 months...

Similar rumours appeared a few months before the 150 dollar drop on the 60 GB PS3.

Two games? Maybe you would only buy two games, I already have 5 games, and I am still looking forwards to buying 10 games (that I know are either already out, or will be out this year).

[Chimpy]

Will everyone stop saying the PS3 is too expensive!
Where i'm from, the xBox and PS3 w/ online cost the same.
You say silver is free, but only for one year.
ONE YEAR OF ONLINE PLAY!
That'd suck!

60gb PS3 at argos : £425 (includes free online play but no controllers or headset etc)
20gb Xbox 360 at argos : £250 (includes 1 controller, 1 headset, HD compatible cable, Xbox Live silver forever, 1 month Gold service).

I can't be pissed to find out how much XBL is per year, but if I use the $ price in this thread, it should cost.. £25 per year. So you would have to have it for exactly 7 years to equal a 60gb ps3.

The question is, where the #### do you live? Inverness?

[The Brown Cow]

Two games? Maybe you would only buy two games, I already have 5 games, and I am still looking forwards to buying 10 games (that I know are either already out, or will be out this year).
And here we hit the underlying conflict of this argument.

I can't speak for the other posters here, but I can tell you that I don't think any less of you for owning or not owning a PS3. That's a stupid thing to judge people on. When I argue against the PS3, I am stating the reasons why I do not want one. If you have one and enjoy it, more power to you. In no way are my objections to purchasing a PS3 intended to invalidate your reasons for buying one.

[Tanktunker]

I think what TBC is trying to say here is that the PS3 is a peice of ####, and everyone who owns one is a turd by association.

[Woolfenstien]

Motorstorm was really crap. I went too fast and I exploded. I had no idea where I was going sometimes.

The best game for the PS3 was the Formula1 game, however that's easily beaten by GTR 2, mainly because Lister Storms are awesome and the handling of every car is perfect.

[Karl]

A few games that I'm looking forward to for the 360:

BioShock
Halo 3
Mass Effect
Fallout 3
Assassin's Creed
Borderlands

This isn't a jibe to PS3 owners, more a reminder to 360 owners. Anyone who owns one should check out these games. Most aren't released yet, but will in the future, and they look bat-#### crazy.

[DarkReality]

Assassin's Creed is pretty much THE reason for getting an XBox for me. Used, given, but still. That's how kick ass the game looks. And after playing the BioShock demo, I've decided to get over my aversion to scary shooters and get the game once it's cheaper. I mean, 70 different mutations to shoot from your left arm with? That's just plain awesome.

[Kjohn]

A few games that I'm looking forward to for the 360:

BioShock
Halo 3
Mass Effect
Fallout 3
Assassin's Creed
Borderlands

This isn't a jibe to PS3 owners, more a reminder to 360 owners. Anyone who owns one should check out these games. Most aren't released yet, but will in the future, and they look bat-#### crazy.

All of those except halo 3 and bioshock (I'm not sure about mass effect)
are available on the ps3

[h00pla]

All of those except halo 3 and bioshock (I'm not sure about mass effect)
are available on the ps3
Which means how much will you pay for them? The 360 price or the ps3 price?

I hope you weren't seriously trying to argue for the ps3 with that

[Karl]

Seriously, though, Borderlands looks friggin' epic.

They said it was like a cross between Diablo and Max Payne. The FPS action plus an RPG style item-grinding.

Game Informer had an example of one of the 500,000 randomly generated )but intelligently constructed) guns, which was basically shotgun, but with a tighter grouping for longer range shots, and a feature that causes a temporal rift to open, slowing down your enemies and speeding you up.

This game is totally jumbo-large.

[h00pla]

This game is totally jumbo-large.
Yay -_-
Now I'll get to be pissed at holding down forward for thirty minutes when I find myself left without any vehicle like I did in Oblivion

[Kjohn]

Yay -_-
Now I'll get to be pissed at holding down forward for thirty minutes when I find myself left without any vehicle like I did in Oblivion

I'm quickly losing my respect for you h00pla, you were my idol too.

PS3 is still growing

[h00pla]

Losing respect because I extremely dislike slow walking speeds over fartoorealistic landscapes.

Walk across Cyrodill to understand what I mean, just makre sure you have a couple free days

[game-bot]

Hoopla...you do know of the quick-tansport feature in Oblivion...right? Map -> Click on city -> Warp

[h00pla]

Yeah but this was before I knew about it, I had just finished morrowind and moved on to oblivion.

Mountains are a real pain without a horse

[Kjohn]

Yeah but this was before I knew about it, I had just finished morrowind and moved on to oblivion.

Mountains are a real pain without a horse

Your still the best member ever to me, but.... I haven't seen much convincing argument from your side

[h00pla]

There can be no convincing argument. This is simply for the sake of arguing.

[Kjohn]

That is very true so why can't we just say that all three consoles have their pros and cons and leave it at that.

[h00pla]

Because that's no fun.

All presidential candidates have their pros and cons, let's leave it at that.
All vehicles have their pros and cons, let's leave it at that.
All life changing decisions have their pros and cons, let's leave it at that.

[Kjohn]

Because that's no fun.

All presidential candidates have their pros and cons, let's leave it at that.
All vehicles have their pros and cons, let's leave it at that.
All life changing decisions have their pros and cons, let's leave it at that.

sounds good.

[Karl]

Yay -_-
Now I'll get to be pissed at holding down forward for thirty minutes when I find myself left without any vehicle like I did in Oblivion
No sir, Borderlands will be having vehicle movment.

It also features AI intelligent enough to drive well in the environment so that you can take the gunner position and not get fragged right away.

[h00pla]

I will have it, but will I have it?

[Karl]

Also, I think you mistook my quote from Homestar Runner as me insinuating that the game would be physically large.

I meant jumbo-large, like, really freaking awesome.

This is weird too, since weren't you at some point called Trogdor?

[Karl]

Bump. So sue me.

Here's a truly unbiased review of the three consoles. Warning, mild foul language.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1383-Zero-Punctuation-Console-Rundown

<3 Zero Punctuation.

[DarkReality]

Teeny-weeny eye straino vision!

XD

That was hilarious.

[game-bot]

...Greatest thing ever.

[Logic]

Holy #### - I can't believe someone else remembers Dizzy, the game where you embody an egg.

[Freddy]

Master Cheif = Samus
Mario = Sonic

Win.

[Mr. Anderson]

I EAT LIONS.

WOO LOOK AT ME I'M NORMAL MAPPED #####.
Could you please just serve the ball?caps

[h00pla]

Master Cheif = Samus
Mario = Sonic

Win.
Until MC gets one last surgery and needs some extra chest plating for his boobies, he is not NOT equal to samus

[DarkReality]

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/

Found this. Hilarious. I mean, biased statistics rock, don't they? And not to mention selective pro-Sony news coverage. And then the entire "Sony is our bastion of light, our holy saviour, we must defend it at all costs. WE ARE THE KNIGHTS OF PS3!" attitude.

Despite it's epicness, I'm pretty sure it's a fake. Which would make it even better.

EDIT: And after reading some more, I'm now absolutely positive it's either fake or made by robotic monkeys.

[Woolfenstien]

Yeah, that's fake. The XB360 sells very badly in Japan, and that's primarily what they[the website]'re milking.