18+ Section?

[Justin]

Would it be worthwhile to create a subforum for the Advice and Help forum for the older members of the forum to discuss problems of a more mature nature? The Sex thread in particular has been a good example of how there is a clear division between the pre-pubescent portion of the forum crowd and the older section.

The subforum would be set up as a club out of convinence, but the only criteria for joining would be having your birth date in your forum profile.

Thoughts?

[PiratexWithxWings]

It could work.

[DarkReality]

I like the idea. Although maturity sadly does not always come with age. And are there even enough 18+ to make it worthwhile? I mean, many of the really cool people here are under 18...

Maybe 18+ with some gray area >_>

[h00pla]

Not to mention age is fairly easily changed.

[Hex]

Not to mention age is fairly easily changed.

Not really, you have to ask the Admin to do it.

I need to get mine changed. It says 1964 for some reason.


Eh, I think it could be good, but I don't think there's enough people.

[ccc.money]

Yeah, anyone could lie about their age.
Maybe not an age limit, maybe like a maturity limit. Look at their posts, and their personality and decide if they should be allowed to join this "Mature Club"

[Justin]

While you could lie about your birthdate, I hope that nobody would be immature enough to do so for the sole reason to get into the 18+ section of the advice forum. As Hex mentioned, you can't change the birthday on your existing account.

As for number of people, we could set it at 17+ or even 16+ if need be. It doesn't need to be super-active. The point is that there is a safe place to ask these sort of questions without it being overwhelmed.

[ccc.money]

While you could lie about your birthdate, I hope that nobody would be immature enough to do so for the sole reason to get into the 18+ section of the advice forum. As Hex mentioned, you can't change the birthday on your existing account.

As for number of people, we could set it at 17+ or even 16+ if need be. It doesn't need to be super-active. The point is that there is a safe place to ask these sort of questions without it being overwhelmed.

Your choice. Your club.

[Jacob]

Not could people lie about their age, but they will lie about their age.

[h00pla]

Then again, how many people are going to put 18 as their age in hopes of there being some 18+ area in a gaming forum?

[Vorobev]

Then again, how many people are going to put 18 as their age in hopes of there being some 18+ area in a gaming forum?

Multis, as long as its only your 2nd account they won't ban you 90% of the time.

[ccc.money]

Multis, as long as its only your 2nd account they won't ban you 90% of the time.

Is that your plan Voro? :p

[Vorobev]

Is that your plan Voro? :p

Nope, if they decide by the maturity rather then the age i might get in eventually.

If it does not work...*signs up under the name "Mature And Old Guy"*

[ccc.money]

Nope, if they decide by the maturity rather then the age i might get in eventually.

If it does not work...*signs up under the name "Mature And Old Guy"*

Wouldn't HorneyXPerv be less obvious?

We better stop before Chejrw locks his own thread.

[AssaultRifle]

I am all for this.

[DarkReality]

I think we'd be able to single out immature people quite easily. And if someone with 3 posts suddenly wants to join, then it's a clear sign that it's probably a multi... so it's quite safe, actually.

[RocketSoldier]

I'm all for it. I'm 17, but I'll be turning 18 in 2 weeks so it doesn't really matter.

[Arca]

Well ouch. Way to toss us non 18+ers aside. This ain't too fair, going by the US's standard, here in Canada, the leagal age for sex is 16 (Was 14 a few months ago) Plus, the internet has porn everywhere, and you can easily press "I am over 18" I don't see the need for an age restriction. The squemesh ones can leave.

[h00pla]

It's not for porn. It's for asking question that won't be spammed with "stick in her pooper!"

[ccc.money]

I think we'd be able to single out immature people quite easily. And if someone with 3 posts suddenly wants to join, then it's a clear sign that it's probably a multi... so it's quite safe, actually.

Meh, you are correct..again. When can I be right sometime?

[DarkLegacyz]

I would say this is a great idea for those mature members. It is a bit sad for mature members that are like 15 or 16 though.

[Screech]

I would say just put it in the elites, but some valuable advice members such as Dom can't go in there.

But yeah. I would love to see a 18+ section, it'd be more appropriate for some of the problems I have.

Well ouch. Way to toss us non 18+ers aside. This ain't too fair, going by the US's standard, here in Canada, the leagal age for sex is 16 (Was 14 a few months ago) Plus, the internet has porn everywhere, and you can easily press "I am over 18" I don't see the need for an age restriction. The squemesh ones can leave.

Just because you can have sex, doesn't mean you know anything about it, nevermind knowing enough to give advice. For example, lets say something happened to me in a bar and I wanted to know how to approach the situation. You can't even go into a bar; all the advice you would give would be purely theory. Its not just based on sex- theres alot of things you just can't relate to because you are young and ignorant to alot of things.

I would say this is a great idea for those mature members. It is a bit sad for mature members that are like 15 or 16 though.

Certain members who prove they are beyond a doubt mature, I could see having little problems with joining.

[ccc.money]

Dom can't enter the Elites?

[DarkLegacyz]

Dom can't enter the Elites?
I think he should be able to. Hes been a great Xgen member

[Arca]

I would say just put it in the elites, but some valuable advice members such as Dom can't go in there.

But yeah. I would love to see a 18+ section, it'd be more appropriate for some of the problems I have.



Just because you can have sex, doesn't mean you know anything about it, nevermind knowing enough to give advice. For example, lets say something happened to me in a bar and I wanted to know how to approach the situation. You can't even go into a bar; all the advice you would give would be purely theory. Its not just based on sex- theres alot of things you just can't relate to because you are young and ignorant to alot of things.



Certain members who prove they are beyond a doubt mature, I could see having little problems with joining.


Good points. But I don't see why you can't do it here...wait.. Yes I do.

Well I feel like that it would grow old fast... unless you move the Hot Chick thread there (Please Don't).. I can see how it would good for some situations, but after a while it may lose it's appeal.

[Triste..]

I support this idea, sometimes i might have a question not even that serious, but i know the responses will be mostly useless. so good idea :)

[Screech]

Well I feel like that it would grow old fast... unless you move the Hot Chick thread there (Please Don't).. I can see how it would good for some situations, but after a while it may lose it's appeal.

Actually, an 18+ section would be the ideal place for the hot chick thread.. it would insure quality.

[theryman]

I think he should be able to. Hes been a great Xgen member
People are allowed into the Elites only by a supermajority of the other elites. Dom has yet to attain the percentage needed to be allowed in.

[Justin]

Despite repeated nominations, I might add.

[Dragon]

People are allowed into the Elites only by a supermajority of the other elites. Dom has yet to attain the percentage needed to be allowed in.

Wow...if dom isn't in then how many people are even in the elite club?

Oh and i think that this whole 18+ thing is an ok idea. (but what about mature members who are under 18..?)

[Generic]

I'm for it, as long as their is some sort of process for mature members who are under 18 to get in with a valid reason.

[Arca]

Actually, an 18+ section would be the ideal place for the hot chick thread.. it would insure quality.

Alright.. Then I want in. As immature as that is.

If it's 18+ and selective 18- people who are mature/smart enough to deal with it. It's cool with me.

[np v2.0]

Sounds like a great idea to me. There is indeed a lot of immaturity in this forum, even from people who think they aren't.

[ccc.money]

Seems like enough people agree. Make it.

Also the club doesn't just have to be about sex either. It could involve other adult problems..??

\sign

[theryman]

Despite repeated nominations, I might add.
Well, I did not want to rub it in...

And Dragon, as of the 8th of June, 59 members... one of the largest clubs, I would not doubt. Why do newbs always seem to idolize dom so? It makes no sense...

[WaterZoma]

I'm more agreeing with this idea.

Why do newbs always seem to idolize dom so? It makes no sense...It's very simple. They idolize who everyone else idolizes. It's simple logic to think that if they support those who are well liked then they have a chance to be a favorite member.

[Viper456]

We should do this cause imiture people bore me like Vorobev:D

[DarkReality]

Alright.. Then I want in. As immature as that is.

If it's 18+ and selective 18- people who are mature/smart enough to deal with it. It's cool with me.

You act as if you're mature enough to enter. When reading through your posts in the sex advice thread, I cannot share that opinion.

[zippydaspinhead]

I think this is a great idea as threads that are serious (such as the sex thread) are spamed very often. I agree with previous posts that 18+ and selective others should be allowed.

[Justin]

Although I think the 'selective others' should be limited to 16+ as well.

[DarkLegacyz]

We should do this cause imiture people bore me like Vorobev:D
No offense, but i think Vorobev is more mature than you. You spelled immature wrong lol.

[Vagrant]

Technically, I'm not even 18 yet. >.>

[h00pla]

This message is hidden because Vagrant is under 18.

What? XD

[Sperry]

I support this idea - it will allow those persons with specific questions the chance to receive answers without having to sift through trash answers.

And for those who aren't of age; why does it matter? You're not missing out on anything - there's no perks to giving advice (remember the paychecks).

[Justin]

According to the database, there are 125 registered users over 18 years old, with more than 50 posts. 65 of them are 'active' (posted in the last 2 months)

(I also cut off the age at 40 so people who put in their birthday as 1905 or whatever would get filtered out)

[joe_schmo45]

I don't see a need for this, mainly because the age someone puts in his or her profile really isn't a good indicator of maturity, in my opinion.

Anyway, couldn't you just deal those who spam mature threads... uh... "rough justice"?

[h00pla]

The point is we don't want to have to administer said justice.

[ccc.money]

We should do this cause imiture people bore me like Vorobev:D

Yeah, well your deffently not going to get in.

[Arca]

You act as if you're mature enough to enter. When reading through your posts in the sex advice thread, I cannot share that opinion.

What's your point?

You could say that about anyone here. Just go back to some threads, look at the fact more people usually laugh at each other than help the person.


Plus I don't mind if I don't get in. Just don't take away our softcore smut!

[theryman]

To be honest, Joe Schmo's suggestions is much better. Why not, instead of creating a sub forum free of spam, well, ya know, take the spam out of this forum? Make it clear that this forum is strictly moderated, and dole out the punishments accordingly. Demand maturity, and give infractions to those who are not.

Honestly, I think Xgen needs a little bit more enforcement- it really is a hell hole. Why not start with the Advice forum, and hope it spreads to other places?

[WaterZoma]

Honestly, I think Xgen needs a little bit more enforcement- it really is a hell hole. Why not start with the Advice forum, and hope it spreads to other places?Like the Computer Tech Forum? You see these people who ignore the stickies and don't use a form. That required infractions and warnings.

[joe_schmo45]

To be honest, Joe Schmo's suggestions is much better. Why not, instead of creating a sub forum free of spam, well, ya know, take the spam out of this forum? Make it clear that this forum is strictly moderated, and dole out the punishments accordingly. Demand maturity, and give infractions to those who are not.

Honestly, I think Xgen needs a little bit more enforcement- it really is a hell hole. Why not start with the Advice forum, and hope it spreads to other places?

First of all, thanks for agreeing.

Secondly, although maturity would obviously be needed when discussing topics like sex, there shouldn't necessarily be one universal, strict standard for all of XGen forums. I mean, there are plenty of threads where a little more silliness is tolerated, enjoyed, and not hurting anybody.

So, although immaturity would be a severe offense in certain topics and should be dealt with accordingly, I also don't want to turn all of XGen into a fascist state.

[Sperry]

The point is valid. Irrelevance mirrors what Spammer Land has looked like in the past (both have decayed). As for the Comp forum; a lot of moderators do not go in there (as with Flash Game Dev.) because they don't know what is or isn't garbage in some cases. I, for one, have no idea how to fix a computer. I certainly couldn't tell you whether or not hardware piece X has anything to do with program file Y.

Still something worth looking at, at any rate.

[h00pla]

The point is valid. Irrelevance mirrors what Spammer Land has looked like in the past (both have decayed). As for the Comp forum; a lot of moderators do not go in there (as with Flash Game Dev.) because they don't know what is or isn't garbage in some cases. I, for one, have no idea how to fix a computer. I certainly couldn't tell you whether or not hardware piece X has anything to do with program file Y.

Still something worth looking at, at any rate.

Are you trying to imply that the mods don't know which part A goes into which slot B of human anatomy?

[theryman]

I am not saying a Kerry-esque rule over Xgen, but I find that conversation is actually helped by strict moderation. Flaming and trolling becomes almost nonexistent, and topics rarely go off topic.

When that happens, real deep topics start popping up. The population becomes more mature, and everyone prospers.

[redwater40]

The Sex thread in particular has been a good example of how there is a clear division between the pre-pubescent portion of the forum crowd and the older section.

Bad example, its only a few retarded fish in a sea.

[np v2.0]

Bad example, its only a few retarded fish in a sea.No it's actually quite accurate. Many people don't actually give advice, but rather just try to be funny.

[zippydaspinhead]

To be honest, Joe Schmo's suggestions is much better. Why not, instead of creating a sub forum free of spam, well, ya know, take the spam out of this forum? Make it clear that this forum is strictly moderated, and dole out the punishments accordingly. Demand maturity, and give infractions to those who are not.

Honestly, I think Xgen needs a little bit more enforcement- it really is a hell hole. Why not start with the Advice forum, and hope it spreads to other places?
There still needs to be some sillyness in other places but for serious advice threads such as the sex thread this is very nessisary.
No it's actually quite accurate. Many people don't actually give advice, but rather just try to be funny.
Also very true another example of why certain threads need to be more tightly moderated.

[Vagrant]

No it's actually quite accurate. Many people don't actually give advice, but rather just try to be funny.

Everyone likes to be a smartass, but nobody's really smart. They're just an ass.

>.>

I SMELL... IRONY!

[Jonanin]

I don't see a need for this on the XGen forums... If you really want to discuss these things you should do it somewhere else.

[DarkReality]

Like where? This is an online forum, this is where such questions are asked. I can also imagine having questions I don't necessarily want to ask everyone. Sure, there are the Elites for that, but not everyone enjoys that seclusion.

So far, I haven't seen any decent opinion as to why this should not be done. I still think it's an excellent idea for questions of a more mature nature (a 14 year old cannot help me if my girlfriend suddenly becomes pregnant and I simply don't know what to do or who to turn to. In fact, I do not WANT a 14 year old to even attempt to help me, as I'd end up ignoring the post anyway).

I read yells of tighter moderation. Should posts suddenly be deleted because the person isn't competent enough to answer? I mean, I'm all for banning due to stupidity, seeing how I'm not likely to be affected by it, but you can't warn someone or delete a post if they genuinely tried to help and simply CAN'T, due to their lack of experience.

All in all, I'm still for this idea. It doesn't hurt anyone and if you don't like it, don't join. No one's forcing you to see it, so I don't understand why some people object to a club idea. It's not like an extra club steals your club's space -_-

[theryman]

But advice such as all of these:
http://forums.xgenstudios.com/showpost.php?p=1544560&postcount=2
http://forums.xgenstudios.com/showpost.php?p=1552089&postcount=12
http://forums.xgenstudios.com/showpost.php?p=1554369&postcount=13
http://forums.xgenstudios.com/showpost.php?p=1554453&postcount=14
http://forums.xgenstudios.com/showpost.php?p=1554965&postcount=16
http://forums.xgenstudios.com/showpost.php?p=1507794&postcount=4
http://forums.xgenstudios.com/showpost.php?p=1508220&postcount=9
http://forums.xgenstudios.com/showpost.php?p=1516476&postcount=22
http://forums.xgenstudios.com/showpost.php?p=1516659&postcount=23

is not advice, but either spam, trying to be funny, or pure idiocy.
And that is only from 2 threads! And I probably only took about half of the things that would apply.

[np v2.0]

Yup, that's what I'm talking about. It's funny and all (kind of) but it really doesn't belong in an advice forum.

[DarkReality]

I never said that there shouldn't be tighter moderation of the advice forum, but that still has nothing to do with an advice subforum for more mature topics that not everyone can help with.

[JoeyG]

This board is fine as it is, moderation-wise. Excepting mature topics, most threads here only degenerate to spam after all available useful advice has been posted.

In other words, removing the spam wouldn't help anything.

Having said that, an 18+ forum is a good idea. Perhaps set a younger age than 18, but there are still far too many immature jokes in maturely-themed threads.

[Eon26]

Although i agree with all the conceptions of this new Sub-forum, i wouldn't agree for it to be called the 18+ forum.

As you can see, the majority of people who have passed maturity are under 18, thus ruling out many of the decent people of Xgen.

Also, Just because your 18, does not nominate you as an automatic mature adult. (As many of you have mentioned before... Like Dom at certain times...)

So my contribution to the conversation would be that not to call the section the 18+ section but just call it the mature section.By doing so, many of the deserving members of Xgen can participate. If they act immature, then they could be kicked out.

[Justin]

Unfortunately, that requires judgement calls on several fronts. I would rather not have to spend the bulk of the time determining the maturity level of users. A simple age cutoff is fair and non-ambiguous.

[DarkReality]

And that would make it too much of an elite-ish forum, as maturity can be subjective. And I don't think that's the point of it.

[Justin]

Exactly. This isn't intended to be a club in the usual sense - that is just the simplest way of restricting viewing of a section of the forum.

[Eon26]

I see your point... but wouldn't lowering the age level by a bit prove more interesting and efficacious?

I mean also as many people said that growing to the age of 18 does not determine that the person IS or is NOT mature, whereas a person of merely 16 can achieve maturity before the age of 18 in most cases.

And again... you could always kick the immature people out.

[mattz1010]

According to the database, there are 125 registered users over 18 years old, with more than 50 posts. 65 of them are 'active' (posted in the last 2 months)

(I also cut off the age at 40 so people who put in their birthday as 1905 or whatever would get filtered out)

Hay, I did that accidentally XD Now I can't change it, it's apparently fixed. It's hilarious though.

I'm up for the section, I suppose a way to put in non+18 members would be to have nominations through the admins or through the current members. Somewhat like Elites, I guess.

I don't really mind if the idea doesn't go through/I don't get accepted though, because I have a few other forums which I visit that are mostly sex-related. [no links for you]

[n3xus]

ummm, it is an interesting concept but the 18+ title make sit sound like it allows users to post pornography.

[ccc.money]

ummm, it is an interesting concept but the 18+ title make sit sound like it allows users to post pornography.

Well, no, thats a different club all itself.-winks-

[Ice Punk]

so, is this being created or no?

[Justin]

I dunno, there really aren't many people who are over 18 on this forum, and making it 16+ kind of defeats the purpose...

[Hex]

I say go for it. If it reeks of inactivity it can always be closed.

[Meek]

I don't really see anything negative about this idea. Sure, a lot of people will be left out, but it's not like people who get to join get special powers over others.

[Dragon]

I don't really see anything negative about this idea. Sure, a lot of people will be left out, but it's not like people who get to join get special powers over others.

Yeah, unlike the elites club..

Make it..I think we got more then enough attention.

[Justin]

All right, it's set up. You can sign up for it via the usergroups interface. No need to even enter a reason, as long as your birthdate is in your profile (and it's on or before 08/12/1989), I'll let you in.

[Joest]

Looks like I must wait a few months. D:

Can we post porn in it?

[Justin]

-sigh-

[Ice Punk]

>.> maybe we should boost it up a year ^-^;

[RocketSoldier]

I just requested to join.

[Dragon]

So, what about the non-18's? What if we don't make jokes and stuff? Can we still get in?

[Danielle]

No. You can not still get in.

[XGEN-CRaZeD]

*Sends Request*

[gufu1992]

So it's been made?
Screenshot please :D
Well - it's nice to know this place does exist!

[game-bot]

I think it's pretty foolish to have such a group. Age does not necessarily equal maturity.

[gufu1992]

Gamebot... we still have sex quiestion/advise thread!

[brothad]

Sent my request.

[np v2.0]

I think it's pretty foolish to have such a group. Age does not necessarily equal maturity.In the teen years? Yes, it really does.

[Marty]

In the teen years? Yes, it really does.

Nope, it's just all based on you.

[Scornic]

I have not yet confronted anyone about this group. I may be in 16, but I am in college, and in the same "maturity level" situations as anyone else in college. I run the same risks, deal with the same responsibilities, (especially with my parents all the way back in Hawaii), and interact with the same groups of people. I am not sure if I should ask about it now, or wait and deal with it if a problem arises whereas I would want to ask it in the 18+ section.

[MushroomMammoth]

People, stop caring so much. The group's there. The age limit is for maximum efficiency, no 'buts', yer 18 yer in, yer not yer out. I have no idea why joining this group is such a big deal to some of you.

[Scornic]

People, stop caring so much. The group's there. The age limit is for maximum efficiency, no 'buts', yer 18 yer in, yer not yer out. I have no idea why joining this group is such a big deal to some of you.

Which is why I said I don't know if I even want to ask, unless something actually comes up.

[Freddy]

Nope, it's just all based on you.

Ok, maybe so. There <18 that are mature just like there are >18 that are immature. But the line needs to be drawn somewhere.
Now where would there be a place to draw this line?

Well it needs to be somewhere that have the most amount of maturity right? So that more people at the line and over are mature enough and very few aren't mature enough.

Well let's make a graph of age vs maturity and see what we get.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3352/maturegu4.png

Seem's the older one is the more likely that person is to be mature.

How about you just be glad we even decided to make the bar as low as 18, eh?

[game-bot]

It's no deal at all to me, as I hardly have any use of the Advice/Help forum, nonetheless would I need(or want) to be in a more mature club for more mature help. I just felt like pointing out that age shouldn't be the only qualifier for this, such as in Scornic's case.

[Marty]

Shadow, all that's nonsense. By your graph the average amount of maturity would be around the age fifty, which means everyone has to be fifty to join to be in a good "maturity level."

Where in god's name did it say, "You have to be 'ye old to be 'mature'". In that case, why can't maturity be based on when a person reachs sexual maturity where he can reproduce?

All that's really bull####. Maturity isn't based off age, it's based on the person's experience in life. Sure, the line has to be drawn somewhere--right when he joins the club he'll be judged on his posts.

[Scornic]

Shadow, all that's nonsense. By your graph the average amount of maturity would be around the age fifty, which means everyone has to be fifty to join to be in a good "maturity level."

Where in god's name did it say, "You have to be 'ye old to be 'mature'". In that case, why can't maturity be based on when a person reachs sexual maturity where he can reproduce?

All that's really bull####. Maturity isn't based off age, it's based on the person's experience in life. Sure, the line has to be drawn somewhere--right when he joins the club he'll be judged on his posts.


So do you think I should see about joining the group? I actually have college situations I would prefer to ask about in there, rather than in Advice and Help, simply because "Grow a pair and ask her out" doesn't apply. It's not gradeschool.

[Freddy]

..yeah.
50 would be the best age for this.

I'll repeat myself, be glad we're setting the bar at 18.
You should be so lucky.




=P

[AssaultRifle]

Hello? I applied. What's the deal?

[Justin]

Please send me a pm if your request is still pending after more than 2 days. I do not check for new applications every day since there are very few 18+ members of the forum and most of them have already applied.

:P

[np v2.0]

Nope, it's just all based on you.When going through puberty, age has everything to do with maturity. Sure some people have slightly different personalities, but that is minimal when comparing it to the age factor in the teenage years.

[Marty]

When going through puberty, age has everything to do with maturity. Sure some people have slightly different personalities, but that is minimal when comparing it to the age factor in the teenage years.

But we're not comparing the world's matuirty, are we? We're implying this all to Xgeners. And those "some" that you mentioned are actually a large majoirty of Xgeners. Or at least the ones that join clubs, I'm not talking about the ones that are in Stick Arena all day or spammerland.

[Aquamenti]

I think that the 18+ section is a great idea. I'm looking forward to join it..

[Justin]

The forum is - and will remain - strictly 18+. That is the age of majority it most countries and such is when governmental authorities recognize you as an adult. We are simply following their lead on the matter.

[Liokae]

Plus we want to keep all the really juicy and lewd pictures of college parties away from you darn kids.

[Marty]

The forum is - and will remain - strictly 18+. That is the age of majority it most countries and such is when governmental authorities recognize you as an adult. We are simply following their lead on the matter.

But then you're making this sound like an adult forum, in which case is agasint the rules. It's not like you're going to actually post pornagraphy inside the forums. =/ I don't see what else could make it 18+. But that's just my idea on it, nothing agasint it, go for it.